Best Control, Suspension & weight ratio for 240SX s13,14or15 for drifting ???>???

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When it comes to 240sx, the best car for drifting is the S14 or the S15 , thats what i have been told, something about the weight ratio 50/50, its that right.

Whats the benefits about control, suspension, driveability, weight ratio, stability specially for drifting ONLY for S13, S14, and the S15.

The S14 and the S15 is heavier than the S13. i'm a rookie about 240sx need more info.

Hopefully each day i will be reading and looking something about 240sx, the s13, s14, and s15, for drifting only thats what i'm looking to do. I have already an AutoX project car looking to make 350hp which will give me 420lbs of torque RWD with bigger turbo t04b 60-1 trim, mpi system.

I'm more into drifting, autoX its been too old now lately and same for drag racing, anybody can do it, so for some reason always like the nissan 240sx for drifting only nothing else, its just that i'm looking for the right type of model that gives better stability, suspension system, weight ratio most important for me basically is control of the car, power(easy go sr20det) thats all for me.

I'm asking to anybody if there is any difference between S13, S14 or the S15, i'm sure all those models has different frame/chassis design so i haven't check that out yet.

I love the S13,S14 and S15 looks, not a problem with the looks, all i'm looking which model gives better control, suspension system, and weight ratio. i think that going any fast or slow is not an issue as long as you have control of the vehicle hitting corners , going sideways, drifting basically.

any suggestions thanks.
 
pretty sure that this was a big battle once on the forums a while ago, might of been before the giant reboot... but imo s13 all the way, not cuz i dont have the money for an s14, just cuz, ie driven both, both stock, both modded, and the s14 just feels like a cadillac and not in a good way. Idk where this whole s14 and s15 have better weight dis. , musta been that damn drift bible. but , it doesnt feel like it, somebody back me up here before i get maued by the s14 guys. as for suspension availability, its all the same ****, but i still think the s13 feels like a stiffer, more serious car, leave the s14/s15's to the car shows...lol
 
well if you can get an S15 I say go with that lol but in my opinion I've always liked the S13 best, but I don't know anything about them, just a personal preference...
 
ive driven a few s13's stock suspension and springs and shocks, and my car with shocks and springs. The s14 may have felt like a boat becuase of the seat height and wheel position. im used to driving my car, with the higher seat in the s13 it feels as if it were more top heavy to me. Now i dont want anyone to go off saying that s13's are top heavy, it could have strictly been the ride height or higher center of gravity. Usually s13 drivers say s14s suck, and s14 drivers say s13's suck. overall weight and spring rates could also give the idea of a car being sluggish or more nimble.

Dose anyone know the steering rack ratios of the s13 and s14, and turning radius. correct me if im wrong, but a sohc s13 has 1.5 rotations before full lock. dohc s13's have 2 turns until lock, and s14's have 1.5 turns until lock. (from center to lock, not lock to lock.)
 
When drifting with S14 its big difference and it feels more bigger, i mean the body of the car while the S13's are more smaller and there is 2 types of S13'S model's the hatchback and the other model that comes with trunk compartment.

Which model of S13's would work best for drifting the hatchback or the other model that comes with the trunk compartment.

It looks few people that loves the S13 240sx cars, hatchback or the trunk model.
whats your best choice for drifting, weight ratio, suspension system, stability and better control going sideways at high speed, in another words drift car only.
 
boy you have asked a though question... this is a question of personal preferance.. no one can answer this and it be right, cause whats right for you may not be right for me (though i could probly do it haha) so really the only answer is to try them all out yourself.. like said above good luck getting a s15 and if you can, well than get it! now as for the suspension wise you can get the same set-up for each car. also so you know the name of the car with the trunk compartment its called a COUPE, now there is a very little wieght difference in the Hatch back/fast back vs the coupe like 30-50lbs i cant really remeber, but its not much. i have seen both types drift it makes no difference they are identical cars well the s13's are. all s14 are coupes.. and i think that i have just about answered it all... as for me i love LOVE LOVE the s13 hatch!!!!! haha im with you m4nfred!!! good luck on your epic quest!!!
 
Ok the S Chassis is just that. They are all the same the only difference being the body, and suspension component, motors and such. The s15 offers the widest track which increases stabilty. I maybe one of the only guys on here that has driven a S15. Im not entirly sure. They are big inside and feel like S14s inside. To big for me. I never was able to beat on one jsut drive. I owned a s14 and several s13s. My personal opinion. S14s are big inside and dont feel like a sporty car to me. It also had a lot of body roll. But like Rick said changing suspension(Spring rates, dampers, sway bars) if can stiffing anything up. The s13 is my personal choice to drift. Tight inside it feels like a sporty car to me.

As far as the whole Rack and Pinion thing. Is this true the S14 rack is better? Can someone confirm this?

Unless you are uber rich forget the S15. I dont even know why people discuss that here. Even if someone spent the 20K plus on a NA 25K plus on and Turbo model. Who would drift it? Personally considering the price of parts, availibilty I dont think it would be a good choise for an amatur.
 
...I feel the same way....but, as we all know and see lately, people are drifting all types of vehicles that in my opinion should never be attempted. I dont believe in drifting a vehicle that is not sports capable; if you cant afford a car to drift, and that is your reason for drifting what you have then so be it. otherwise, get what you feel you will be a good driver in, and do what you have to do. my personal opinion, if your going to drift...no mater what it is...wether its an S13, or like my dumbass, a 350Z...make sure you have real roadtime experience on not only the streets, but on a track...having some type of familiarity with your vehicle and your limits in that vehicle. dont cheat yourself or you will pay..litterally!

the S13 has an outstanding composure about it. when stiffened and torqued up...it slides like a dream. you feel it move out there and its obvious when your at the limit before spin-out. im still learning in my Z so i cant compair it yet!...a big YET only because im stil open diff. turbo will be in before the diff is installed so it will be some time...open diff drifting is NOT drifting. (sorry off topic)

Anyway......if you have the money and want to buy a car that you believe will inspire you to drift like a king...then do it...dont let anyone side track you on their personal beliefs. if you want an S15...spend the money....regadless of what vehicle your in....you will learn or you will wreck trying. (but only spend the money if your heart is in it...and you honestly feel that you wont quit....dont be "that guy" who says i wonder if i never stopped, would i have ever made it....)

........S13 hands down.........

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Its all a matter of opinion, drifting style, and personal taste. I've "heard" that the S14 is more luxury oriented hence why i stay with the S13 platform. I wouldn't mind a Kouki S14 but there are so many different variations of the S13 that can be made. Besides, the damn flip ups are sexy! I love the S13 because its easy to control, has the 50/50 weight ratio, and because its just an all around good car. Personal opinion, once again.
 
oh man sounds great, so S14 booo S13 yeahhh.. just kidding, but seriuosly i have few friends that loves drifting specially in 441 and hollywood blvd. There is a huge parking lot called the Millenium mall, sometimes we go there and drift. There is one guy that has S13, the other guys Supra's 90-92, Ford Probe anyways he is been having little problems for drifting with his S13 Coupe.

The S13 Hatch back/fast back vs the coupe, i guess the hatch back has more weight because of the rear glass and for that case i will go coupe, unless someone has already drive it both styles, which type has show you better control of the car.

i saw few folks drifting crazy on some parking lots, going very fast on corners by the time they go sideways at high speed, say no more car has already took over. He is no longer a driver he becomes a normal passenger. Most cases i see it on the hatch back's. so i guess its not always the car, is the driver.

Anyways you guys right about the suspension upgrades, there is many products outthere for the S13,14 and 15's, ( i was right ) , thinking the samething about you guys, the difference between the S13 versus the S14,15's, is lot smaller. Besides the S13 is a good car to start drifting not too expensive in parts, many choices to choose for suspension, brakes, body kits, lights, engines, many and many more >you name it.

I'm glad that you guys in here helping others to show your experience about drifting with different vehicles. hopefully i will just look for a beat up s13 like $100-$300 bucks for complete stock car with crack engine, rusty, old paint don't care i love the look of a hot rod drift car, so later i can drop a SR20DET engine, with suspension upgrade, brakes, monkey bars(roll cage), and i'm good to go. May be i can use the SDS 4F fuel management system for the Sr20Det, that will be good to start drifting.

http://www.sdsefi.com

man if you guys find any old or beat up s13 240sx, please let me know.
must be complete stock(virgin is ok 2).
i can still drift with my 1989 chrysler rear wheel drive 2.6liter turbo engine(4 cylinders) with 180HP and 250lbs of torque, not bad for a 2dr hatchback car it has LSD already.
 
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hey porn*, i dont wanna flame, but what ur saying is really hard to understand, english wise. please try and use proper parts of speech and endings and tenses, i kno this isnt english class, but it really helps us to respond to what u ask. and for me, i havent driven an S14, but i kno that S13's have bad understeer stock, but that all goes away when pulling the ebrake at the right time.
 
i second too what he^ said... i cant follow you... but s13 coupe vs hatch, they are identical cars, one will not out handle the other, its all the driver, now weather you like the coupe or the hatch is a different story! ok now as for some of the other stuff you dont need a body kit to drift!!! as a matter of fact i wouldnt even get one on the car untill you know how to drift well! allright i think that i got it all... w/e im sure that someone else will say what i wanted to say anyways...
 
Sorry guys, i'm latin my english is little but i'm doing my best.

when you live in Florida almost everybody speaks spanish, specially in Miami South Florida, Cubans, PR, dominicans, too many latin people.

Now is no problem to get a job in South Florida Miami if you are latin, even if you don't speak english so for white or black folks you must speak spanish to get a job overthere bilingual, i know it sucks.

The comunity(people) they all speak spanish, so its mandatory to have spanish as second language big time.

Welcome to Miami :)


sorry i will do my best with my english.
thanks.

Well yeah, you're right.

I think is all about the driver not the car, anyways if i find 1 S13 I don't care about Coupe or hatch, any style that comes for $100-$300 bucks complete car, i take it even 4 free. :D

I will love to make 1 badass drift car from a beat up car.
That sounds cool.

anyways my s13 will be for drifting only, so looks no big Deal (RustBullet). :cool:
 
Heres your answer because as we know a good drift car comes down to the driver and the car, so if its comfortable to you, modded by you, thats what will make it better but in the end if we all have the same suspension mods, engine, tires, LSD, time behind the wheel, then the only difference would be what the cars.

So assuming that having the same mods would include the steering rack the only difference is the S13 is lighter, cheaper, and more spare parts available for it so that makes it the logical choice for an all out drift car but with a endless budget build up a Z33 if you could.

Theres no better choice just preferance.
 
right i agree with you man.

I will go with S13 hatchback or coupe, lighter, cheaper and tons of parts 4 sale. I only need to find 1 S13 4 sale for $100 up to $300 bucks. If i put my eyes on the S13 project i will be drifting soon.

I keep looking everywhere for a good S13, I remember to see it all the time for 250 bucks complete stock, sometimes $400 or $600 bucks for any S13 now its been little hard to find one. May be i will have to stop looking and let it come to me. :cool:
 
I can agree with what the other guys have said about the S14.

I use to own an s13 and then sold it for an S14. I think 2 weeks after purchasing the S14 I wanted an s13 real bad. The car does feel larger and as said in one of the past posts, more luxourious. Considering my car is insured with my parents they wont be cool with me selling it. So I figured I should just build on what I have and make the best of it so I bought a set of coilovers. Even with the coilovers it felt nothing like the s13 would feel like. The S13 just felt like a small tight car that you felt comfortable doing anything with. On the other hand, the S14 is such a large car that its not very comfortable.

I sold my S13 becuase all the things that make a comfortable daily driver ( a/c, p/s, etc..)
started dying on me. So the S14 being newer car consisting of all that nice stuff I bought it and its the only regret I have in life. So now I only drive my car once a week so buying it surved for nothing.:mad:

S13 is the way to go and I cant wait to sell my car to get another one.
 
so when it comes about 240sx S13,14 & 15's .

the S13 is the real deal.

Ok now the S13 comes from 89 to 94 right, so from 89 to 94 everything is the samething i'm talking about suspension system, brake system, steering, engine, ECU, so nothing has been upgrade from 89 to 94, i'm sure something has been upgrade like the ECU, tranny, rear end, fuel injectors much bigger, something has been upgrade it each year up to 94.

Whats the difference between Sr20det S13 engine versus the Sr20det S14 engine or the S15, any difference it looks similar red top engine, but something has to be different may be bigger fuel injectors, better ECU, better fuel management or something.

All engines Sr20Det from S13, S14 and S15 are the same block red top and all fits to the S13 car.
 
in 89,90 the s13 has a SOHC motor same displacement. from 91-94 they have the DOHC...both are KA's but the dohc is KA24DE, and the SOHC is the KA24D... basically thats the biggest diff.. again the rack in the front, is alittle different but we have aready talked about this.. oh and the S13 are the only S cars that have 4 wheel steering...also know as Super HICAS.... nothing to special.. though my last car had it, and i will have to drive a car without it to see the difference.. anywho on to the SR's the s13 have the red tops, the s14,15 the the black tops.. now im not too sure on my sr's but the balck top i know has more power stock than the redtop's, and anything more than that someone else will have to answer for ya cause im not to sure about them.... but what you need to do is do some searches what you are asking has already been asked and there is plenty of info out there!... but anywho good luck!
 
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