Early entry drifts

Stop watch the drift bible!

Using the ebrake negates the purpose of a braking drift. Braking drifts work well in cars like e30's and FC's b/c of the rear suspension. When the front end takes on all the load, the rear tires lose a lot of traction. In a 240, they maintain grip and you understeer (unless you're car's setup to oversteer by running shitty rear tires, reverse stagger, messing w/ the subframe angle, toe out in the rear, ect). Its really just trail-braking and not a drift technique anyway. Only difference is you hammer on the gas when you're trying to drift instead of modulate the throttle to point the car straight.
 
Tonymac said:
To enter a drift early you need SPEED and timing. I was only touching on what I consider real early entry drifts before I sold my car so at times I was all over the place (enter too early or too late). Manji and downshifting is just not going to cut it - that's defeating the purpose anyway b/c you're just going too slow. Basically while you're on the straight, stay to the inside of the lane (in relation to the upcoming turn). As you approach the turn, veer to the outside with moderate aggressiveness. Once there, clutch kick HARD while cutting in HARD. Again, this takes TIMING. Adjust throttle and counter. The rule of thumb I made was that I was trying to get my car to full lock at the same point where all the black marks were from everybody else's entries. After that you can correct with throttle and/or e-brake. I would not recommend you try this out on the streets.
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This is pretty much exactly what I was doing going into the first turn at Moroso. Initiate and stay in the throttle, then you can use the ebrake to slow down or adjust for the upcoming turn, but don't use it to initiate.
 
bro all u have to do is hold down circle and counter with the joystick till the car is in the proper angle.
if u get too much angle the let go of the circle button for a split second and get on it again, repeat as nesesary. when u line up for the perfect reace line hit the x button and hold it. if u get too much angle tapp it a few times to help u regain grip. do not hit square unles u realy need to cause the ur front end will slow down too much and u might spin. game shark is not needed for this. :D
throttle and e-brake to maintain the angle if the way to do it. have fun :bigthumbu
 
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240's are great for shift lock and "brake" drifts. I did it at the triangle every time. I never used ebrake. Makes you look like you are going too slow to me.
 
Juan Henao said:
bro all u have to do is hold down circle and counter with the joystick till the car is in the proper angle.
if u get too much angle the let go of the circle button for a split second and get on it again, repeat as nesesary. when u line up for the perfect reace line hit the x button and hold it. if u get too much angle tapp it a few times to help u regain grip. do not hit square unles u realy need to cause the ur front end will slow down too much and u might spin. game shark is not needed for this. :D
throttle and e-brake to maintain the angle if the way to do it. have fun :bigthumbu
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ooohhhh now i understand, lmao :laugh:
 
Tonymac said:
Stop watch the drift bible!

Using the ebrake negates the purpose of a braking drift. Braking drifts work well in cars like e30's and FC's b/c of the rear suspension. When the front end takes on all the load, the rear tires lose a lot of traction. In a 240, they maintain grip and you understeer (unless you're car's setup to oversteer by running shitty rear tires, reverse stagger, messing w/ the subframe angle, toe out in the rear, ect). Its really just trail-braking and not a drift technique anyway. Only difference is you hammer on the gas when you're trying to drift instead of modulate the throttle to point the car straight.
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thats right semi rear trailing arm suspension + trail braking ftmfw!
 
JiujitsuDrift said:
240's are great for shift lock and "brake" drifts. I did it at the triangle every time. I never used ebrake. Makes you look like you are going too slow to me.
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thats why u speed up
when i used to go to the triangle i never noticed the speedo but dan told me i was going around 65-70 when pulled the ebrake and the speed would carry me n then once ide get angle it was all gas until id get right on the turn then i would brake and s
 
Im able to shift the weight of the car and lift to initiate and get back on the gas, after that I usually have to foot brake and turn in to actually enter the corner, after that it has to be lock and foot to the floor.

Ive only been able to do this well with new 225 245 staggered tires in my car, additional rear grip catches the rotation and keeps the front light before you enter the corner.
 
JiujitsuDrift said:
240's are great for shift lock and "brake" drifts. I did it at the triangle every time. I never used ebrake. Makes you look like you are going too slow to me.
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Shift locks, brake drifts, and holding the ebrake are all gay. From all the vids I saw of people at the triangle, ebrakes were held up for far too long (hence all the "early entries"). There is good reason why you never see any of those techniques in professional drifting.

Old vid but more of what a real early entry is:
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Tonymac said:
Shift locks, brake drifts, and holding the ebrake are all gay. From all the vids I saw of people at the triangle, ebrakes were held up for far too long (hence all the "early entries"). There is good reason why you never see any of those techniques in professional drifting.

Old vid but more of what a real early entry is:
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Alot of us that go to Triangle dont have the Skill nor the Power that Haruguchi has. Besides that, the main Triangle turn is way too steep to come in with that kind of speed. You will end up taking a ridiculously wide line or hitting a tree.

Ali would do about 70 mph sideways down the straight but, theres now way in hell he could carry that speed through the apex. IMPOSSIBLE.

If you've been to Triangle then you know what I mean. Btw, Shiftlock and Brake Drift/Pre Load isnt gay when your in an underpowered Ka. :bigthumbu

Plus one on Haruguchi's entry being sick. Definitely requires mad skill.
 
The triangle isn't much different than ocala turn one. When you're sideways with deep angle, you scrub off plenty of speed. Nobody said anything about carrying speed through the apex. That would be neat but physics > neat, regrettably.

I'm not concerned with the shenanigans that went down at the triangle because every vid I saw was holdin ebrake. I'm not bashing, but people boast about the entries at that place constantly. And without a radar, all these speeds are speculation. Funk at OGP is proof that you can enter turns like a man in an na ka. 3rd gear, no lift, 60+mph, Haruguchi style entries all day. Radar proven. Takes balls and timing not power.

The guy wanted to know how to do an early entry. I posted the exact way the pros do it - the only way IMO.

Ka-Tony said:
Btw, Shiftlock and Brake Drift/Pre Load isnt gay
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You're right. In relation to entering early, it doesn't make sense to use them but they are legitimate drift techniques. I just feel like there's better ways to get the job done.
 
Tonymac said:
I'm not bashing, but people boast about the entries at that place constantly. And without a radar, all these speeds are speculation.
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^^ :laugh: True story... Although, I do have to give it to Ali. Holding that slide for as long as he does in an Na Ka is quite impressive. <3 Ali - No Homo.

Tonymac said:
You're right. In relation to entering early, it doesn't make sense to use them but they are legitimate drift techniques. I just feel like there's better ways to get the job done.
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Agreed. By any chance is there any video of Funk? I keep hearing about his Early Entries but have never seen footage.
 
3rd gear na ka stuff, this is the best I can do. He's the one w/ the gold hatch...should be easy to figure out anyway b/c he's going fast as hell na. I'm in there too with one of my earlier entries but I was totally off on timing and had to extend w/ the ebrake.

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Yeah. I'm fuzzy on his max that day (they only counted completed drifts btw) but I think it was 64mph.
 
yep Tonymac, just as you explained at first coming on down the line and shift lockin in 3rd...Just like the vid posted above..I def know what needs to be done,,just need to practice now..thx man
 
Im just going to throw this out there.......... Try drifting around corners with the steering wheel strait. This teaches you how to control your car on the edge of breaking traction. Its alot harder then it sounds. You are only able to turn in, then keep the steering wheel strait, use your foot to steer with the rear. Everyone always trys to get the most angle out of every drift they do. Some times you get on a new track or a different layout, you may have to switch back slower to cover a longer distance being able to reach the next apex with out regaining grip. So many people need to do this exercise its not even funny, the things you learn are not only for switch backs.

Ive learned so much from using different techniques on the same corners to see which is best for the situation.
 
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