coolandy007
Spectator
Sure, come this Sunday for the tryouts. I'll put you on the list. Wear something cute.
****Effective immediatly for the Homestead/FARA DEMO'S*****
- Thread starter Moe@240SXWarehouse
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boxmod
Driver
media yes you want at a demo of course. like I said, I try to help Mars get to events at less cost by giving him a ride there. Maybe if the demo drivers gave $10 (after $100 refunded) to a 'pool' and the media guys split the pot, they would have a incentive to show up there and hang instead of countyline? Hopefully they each could get $10 for the day? Or maybe just buy them lunch or dinner after? Its the little bonus that could make that choice worthwhile to them.
The crowd being small is one of the main issues here. The focus right now is also to MAKE THAT CROWD grow. Upping the professionalism/show should help draw more people to the crowd for the demo. If its struggling then FARA itself might not have a crowd to begin with. I've never seen it in person, but anytime I've done a 'co-event' and shared the venue, drifting ALWAYS had the crowd rushing to the stands more than the other part of the shows. This can be addressed with FARA and how they are advertising.
Teams/friends that have to split up have to split up sometimes. Its personal choice. If they would rather drive, you should let them do their thing and you do yours. Its not that big of a deal to split up for a day, and its selfish to ask them to watch you drive instead of have their own fun, and its selfish of them to make you goto Countyline instead of taking part in an invited demo
at a real track. Its just for a day, not eternity.
The best point you make is the sponsors perspective/trying to get sponsors. You typically want the better crowd/more exposure. However, your comparing a concrete square path (dont get me wrong, I like countyline), to a real road course. Both have tandem. One is a stand alone, the other you promote as a invite only demo and part of a larger overall event. You should also add the fact that you are working toward the professional image of drifting in Florida and are working with FARA to make this happen. As a sponsor, they should rather see you on a REAL course, with a bigger overall show, with the professionalism surrounding you, and you being one of only 5 selected drivers. Not to mention demos get you 100% of the exposure time, where practice gets you 1/15 or 1/20 of time focused on you on track.
Short and sweet:
If it was me... (doesn't mean its the 'right choice' either)
I would do the FARA demo, since those driving it are my friends also, and let my amateur level friends go get some practice and have fun at Countyline. I would promote it to my sponsors as a REAL track, a bigger overall show, and I'm working as a leader in the community to put out a positive and professional image of the Florida drifting scene. I'd then show them some great media provided by the guys I gave a ride to or bought lunch for.
we are trying to get the 'non drifting spectator' interest. drifters already know about this stuff... its the people who still don't know what drifting is or have never seen it, that we are needing to reach out to and make part of our crowds. we need generalized spectator backgrounds. also, the draw of the demo should be seeing the 'best' drivers at 'higher speed' getting stuff done, instead of just watching people learn. While I think that grassroots is the heart of drifting, and very important to have those events, the kind of crowds found at these different kinds of demos is totally different.
For example, if I sat and did a burount and then a donut at countyline, people would boo me and want to punch me in the face. If im at HIN doing a demo and did the same, people would want my autograph on their girlfriends boobs and get a picture with me. People who dont know drifting, love anything with the tires burning really. You have to play to the crowd you are in front of.
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I'm not trying to take down Homestead... heck I love drifting there and the respect we get along with warm hospitality of the great people @ FARA.
however aside from the flyers the Moe have printed I have yet to hear or see any advertisement of the FARA events... so the only thing u got is word of mouth and that comes from the guys who know us and drift with us, so till the advertisement issue is not handle you will need those beginners and friends to be your crowd and fans.
I often get asked "hey bro wen r u drifting again" and I tell the "next week at Homestead" and they are shocked that Homestead has drifting. aside from Us the drifters and friends no1 knows that drifting goes on there.
Moe has done back breaking work to get the word out, print and hand out flyers, radio talk, and word of mouth. but he cant do it alone... is like FARA doesnt want people to go theyr events. I've seen small posters about the days event but they only go as far north as Kendal and lets face it, there is a big drifting crowd in Broward and further north... and the radio show that Moe and I did couldnt even be heard outside of the radio station.
when I talk bout media I dont just mean pics and vids... I mean advertisement but I do love the idea of doing a $$$ pool for media.
I just spoke with a big time photographer and he would love to go and shoot the FARA event but he said with the condition that he can sell the shots and he wanted a to go past the fence and also into the pits.
I dont blame the media for not coming... I'm just sayin if we all (drifters, organizers, media, fans, family, etc..) want to see this sport grow we all need to work at it and all end should be covered to make sure no1 is left out cause that could damage the foundation of something great.
Also thats another thing. the media section sucks penor...holes in the fence ftl
boxmod
Driver
yea the advertising by FARA depends on what they are looking to get out of the events. The big deal is that they need to spend money or something to get the word out, and if they dont see a real possible return, they won't justify spending the $$ to advertise it. Its a catch-22.... no ads = no people... no people = no confidence to pay for ads. I don't know if they have tried giving away tickets via radio call in? I think most radios will do that for free/give a little promo about the event. Helps the radio get calls/listeners, and helps promo the event. its in FARA's hand to advertise the event mostly.
Juan you seem to be taking this all on your shoulders. Worry about your part, which you already do very well. Show up, be professional, drive well, do your job as a demo driver to put on the best show you can. If they want to see the crowd grow, they have to advertise your right.
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Moe, keep up the great work and the level of professionalism. This is beginning to look very promising.
coolandy007
Spectator
That's actually a good point Henao, FARA does lack good advertisement for themeselves and for us. My sugestion would be a cheap way to get the word out. A small business card size flier to pass out at car meets and anywhere there might be a crowd. Maybe someone here can design it and we'll figure out a way to print. It could also be done for countyline events. However, don't understimate the power of word of mouth advertisement and online forums. I mean, look at what a shitty movie cloverfield was, and all advertisement was viral online and word of mouth and that bag of shit made millions.
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I like this as well. Great ideas.
Moe@240SXWarehouse
Spectator
Pm Jason.. I will give you the paypal address
No problem Paul.. People and drivers have a choice:bigthumbu
All the media guys have my phone number. They can call and reserve or ask for a media pass.
I never denied anybody access to a media pass at homestead NEVER!!!!..
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Bleak
Driver
Have fun dodging abe's car!
Moe@240SXWarehouse
Spectator
+1 on this.. The date change was just posted and like Andy said, Neither Tim nor Me have a lot of say because we depend on the hospitality of larger entities. I know it's not helpful that both events are on the same day, but I'm going to do everything possible to have an early demo so that anyone wishing to participate by either driving or attending both events has a chance to. It may or may not work but what I want to emphasize something I read before, There is enough people in this forum and the scene to fill both events to the max even if it's on the same day, so why isn't this happening? Let's encourage everyone to go to whatever event they want instead of arguing for attendance.
You ask for a pass you get a pass.. You tell me where you need to go and if it's allowed by the track we go ahead and make it happen.
FARA runs the events.. but is Homesteads house you're standing on.
Thank you and Good luck Gary
Thank you Jason for the amount of positive and good points you have made so far in these threads. I thank you for you participation and I hope to see everyone becoming more involved not only in the threads but in making things better.
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Coming from a guy that hardparks his car, has a hood with a sponsors stickers that doesn't even sponsor him, bought some played out wheels lmk I can pm you more stuff also don't worry I won't be driving fara
what the gay is going in here??
ps i agree with the rules. should def up the level of professionalism.
ps i agree with the rules. should def up the level of professionalism.
coolandy007
Spectator
Now we need to up the level of attendance.
good shit moe, im happy to hear all this. ill definitely be there driving, supporting the scene, and dont choose me, im probably rusty, i haven't driven in almost a year lol i just wanna drive!!
and why is everyone complaining, go to whatever event u wanna go to, make ur own decision, is fucken drifting, what we love, so it doesnt matter where we do it, as long as we do it. Moe wants professionalism, so the drivers that are to that status are gonna do the demo, drivers that just wanna learn and have fun, they will do countyline. it sucks, i wanted to do both, but most likely i will do homestead b/c of the venue and track.
and why is everyone complaining, go to whatever event u wanna go to, make ur own decision, is fucken drifting, what we love, so it doesnt matter where we do it, as long as we do it. Moe wants professionalism, so the drivers that are to that status are gonna do the demo, drivers that just wanna learn and have fun, they will do countyline. it sucks, i wanted to do both, but most likely i will do homestead b/c of the venue and track.