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Tim?

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So there's a heated debate on Drifting .com about this past weekends event. As far as how much emphasis formula D is putting on speed rather than angle and style which is the real reason for the super lite V8 basically tube frame cars. The run with yoshioka and conrad grunwald was by far the highlight battle of the night. Sick Sick Sick yoshi had the dirtyest entry by far. Now with that being said the crowed demanded a omt and all Tony Angilo coud say is it looked really cool but he parked it and bla bla bla. Has formula D become a race? As far as I can tell it has the battles are very tame in comparasin to D1 due to the no passing rule and the strict speed requirements. The drivers have no need to get too close because who ever is faster is gonna win. I used to say the coolest thing about drifting is you can take a 500 dollar car and beat a 50000 dollar car because its all about the driver. Sat night proved me wrong the majority of the battles were safe and predictable. Watch the vid and see what I mean.

http://www.drifting.com/forums/gene...e-run-top-16-battle-palm-beach-fl-2011-a.html
 
Speed is just the progression of drifting. It just sucks because it's a HUGE hurdle for anyone that doesn't have a full time race team and crazy built cars.

I was bummed when yoshi lost, but I saw the overhead video and kind of understood, because he did park it pretty good and v8'd out of it. I thought he had an advantage in his follow run, so it prob should've went OMT. Whatever though :/
 
i agree with the judges. qualifying is show drifting and tandem is speed drifting. if the objective of tandem competition is to leave a gap then what yoshi did was a mistake albeit fucking rad. though i dont like the no passing rule. passing would make it much more interesting and add more possibility of carnage.

i think what makes d1 so exciting is the tight technical courses and the drivers are much more willing to be right on top of each other. you'll even notice that in d1sl, they just don't care as much about damage as long as they put on a good show for the audience. it is my firm belief that the difference in excitement between fd and d1 is not so much bc of rules, its the difference in the drivers and the japs being more ballsy.
 
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hhn2002 said:
i agree with the judges. qualifying is show drifting and tandem is speed drifting. if the objective of tandem competition is to leave a gap then what yoshi did was a mistake albeit fucking rad. though i dont like the no passing rule. passing would make it much more interesting and add more possibility of carnage.

i think what makes d1 so exciting is the tight technical courses and the drivers are much more willing to be right on top of each other. you'll even notice that in d1sl, they just don't care as much about damage as long as they put on a good show for the audience. it is my firm belief that the difference in excitement between fd and d1 is not so much bc of rules, its the difference in the drivers and the japs being more ballsy.
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The objective isn't to leave a gap. It's still to out drive the competitor. However, the driver with more grip is gonna be the one controlling the battle. He pulls away by default on his lead run, and can get up close on his follow. Most dudes, it seems, just like to pull away on the lead run and then play it safe on the follow. Doing just enough to win.

It makes sense. I do it most of the time too, but in a much smaller scale pro-am dude fashion. It just sucks because it takes away from the excitement.
 
If me and Dan didn't have a tranny blowing fetish we would've been there :/
 
The rear entry runs looked sick but they ALL either hard parked the car or pushed way wide. Conrad is just lucky he didnt hit that stalled out car on the track.

Jeremy sorry for calling you Justin at the end of the night. My buddy was like what did you just call him? I just went awww fuck.:bigthumbu
 
I agree with what everyone speed is the ultumate progression of the sport but I thingk what formula d is lacking is the show element. At the end of the day its the spectators that make everything happen and if they want to see baller reverse entrys give it to them. Don't get on the mic and start blowing all this nonsence out your rear. Just do it. It is a competition but its a show. Drifting was never ment to be a real motorsport its a action sport. I personally was disapointed with a lot of the calls and the corse layout. It was too unnatural no one got close cause they were just flying through the track as fast as the 2lb 7000hp car could go. I had fun just I trully don't thingk the drivers did. I know I wouldent. Personally I liked the pro am better. Go ryan ill start polishing btw.:bigthumbu
 
The runs at the end of the night got pretty intense. JTP was like 1' away from JR the whole run. Also, those cars are surprisingly heavy. Both of the mustangs weigh over 3000lbs with driver, and are allowed a much larger tire than they run. I was kinda blown away by that.
 
I agree the call should of been omt, cause Yoshi had an amazing follow lap too.
Another omt I thought should of happen was walker's battle, he straightened out on his follow lap, but on the lead lap he had an amazing entry similar to yoshi's but not as intense, yet he didn't lose speed.
I guess it comes down to whether how they want to progress the sport, also these guys(judges) have been around drifting wayyyyy longer then I have so maybe there seeing or know something I dont.
Either way FD was a blast I had tons of fun and I hope they come next year.
 
Amazing entry, I think what the judges were saying was he entered too early, which caused him to scrub to much speed forcing him to take the inside line on the first corner exit, everyone else was running outside line on the corner exit so thats what the judges wanted to see. That said conrads run was worse... should have been OMT or yoshi with the win.

The no passing rule needs to GTFO!
 
If passing was allowed, dudes would be running the inside line all gay.
 
Well

Agree and disagree. Agree the judging is bias but all judged events are in some way bias. I don't think box mod should have had a omt which ended up getting him eliminated, that was B.S. As for the pro guys I could care less. I left after the pro am was over. D1 tandems>FD tandems anyday. I disagree about the backward entry, if it throws you off the line it's not a good thing. Yea I love it but it shouldn't win the run for u. He'll 360entry woud be cool but it's not a crazy entry comp.
 
Well progression is progression. Who's to say speed is the future over baller backwards entrys. Watch this season d1 or any vids from this year in japan there dooing both. If our pro series is goin to condemn drivers for baller entrys the sport will suffer even more. The bottom line is formula d has turned into a money game just like drag racing. They focus on speed and persision rather than abillity and skill. I guarontee if you put that feild in 200hp cars the days outcome would have been totaly different. I know its formula d who cares bla bla but for the drivers on this forum you should carewhare the sport is progressing. Formula v8 drag race rolling burnout series. I guess I'm alone on this but I don't see the series dooing very well in the years to come. Xdc is probably gonna take over.
 
This weekend's judging was a bit off. I was at Road Atlanta, and the judges were on point there. I couldn't figure out why Aasbo lost to Powers. Maybe from where I saw that battle I couldn't see the real reason for that. Same thing with the battle with Ryan Kado and Ken Gushi. How did Gushi lose?

As for Yoshioka and Conrad's battle, Yoshioka had a bad ass following run, and Conrad was way off line on the entry of his following run. Yoshioka might have slowed down hard, but never did he lose angle or completely stopped. Conrad should have been able to follow Yoshioka's line if he was out to win. If the judges were to apply the rules that they were judgung by, they would have at least OMTed. But to me, that run was obviously biased.

FD has the drivers to make it as exciting as D1, but the dumbass rules that FD puts up make the battles a little lame. The battle between JTP and JR was exciting as heck, but that was one of the few.
 
FD needs to expand the event list and include 2-3 really technical courses instead of the high speed HP fest shit. it will help those in lesser funded cars still battle and win and get noticed. i would rather have 5 turns to link at 50-60mph than enter at 90, slow to 40, and exit at 50 in a single swoop chicane.
 
It's crazy because that was supposedly a fast entry course, but my car would only go like 73mph haha. FD cars were doing 90+. I want 845hp.
 
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