free will

does it really exist? do we really have all the choices that we let on to have? or are we just a random collection of thoughts, ideas, & feelings that we have picked up from experiences.. from other people, or just other living beings...

do you ever wonder why it's so hard to give up old habits? like maybe some cosmic underlying force, arranges your sub atomic particles to perform certain acts, and your mind is just a tool that justifies those acts...

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uh, yes we have free will. If we dont, try to jump off a bridge, if it was predetermined for you to live then u wont die. It doesn't matter what u do if u dont have free will. u can look at it logically through equations, i can post my research paper from my philosophy class if u like.
 
To jump off a bridge, if it was predetermined for someone to live then he wouldnt have the guts to jump, if it was predeterminded to die then he would jump and die, I dont believe in anything, whether its god's or w/e but I do know one thing, Things happen for a reason.
 
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To jump off a bridge, if it was predetermined for someone to live then he wouldnt have the guts to jump, if it was predeterminded to die then he would jump and die, I dont believe in anything, whether its god's or w/e but I do know one thing, Things happen for a reason.

So murderers are actually working out nature, we shouldnt' get mad at them...
what about people dying on sept. 11th? what was the reason for that? If we do not have free will we have a pretty damn good illusion of it. certain things obviously are out of our control but in our little lives we control things. u probably believe in luck too, if u think God is unscientific, then u should think predetermination is unscientific.
 
It all depends if you believe in predestination. I believe that everything happens for a reason, but I dont believe in predestination. I used to be completely athiest and believe that no single power existed, but in the past two years, (I took AP European History and AP British Literature which deals ALOT with religion) I became Agnostic. I believe that there is a God, but I dont believe in Adam and Eve and the Bible's explanation for the developement of humans. I am more scientific. But I do believe that we are all here for a reason.
I agree with green_machine. All these deaths that occur in our world today are for a reason. We are already greatly over populated....6 billion people in the world is ALOT. They presume that there will be over 10 billion people in the world by 2020-2025. Thats an unbelievable growth rate.
Everything has its contradictory force. In other words, everything ying has its yang. Good vs. Evil, Love vs. Hate, Life vs. Death. There has to be a balance is one of the points green_machine made. I think that Social Darwinism also is what causes this balance between life and death.
Dan, its so hard to give up habits because we become accustomed to them. They grow on us and become part of us, whether it be good or bad. Its hard to give up a part of yourself because a) your accustomed to that habit, b) because you dont entirely know what lies ahead once you give it up, and that causes fear. Most of the time, the unknown is feared and/or hated by us. Why? Maybe it is because we are uncomfortable with not knowing something? I dont know.
But in conclusion, we can never recieve a truthful answer on whether we truly have free will. Our personalities are determined by both genetics and experiences, and impacts our choices, but I dont think that we are entirely random. We are quite organized with thought, and all these thoughts and the collection of them serves a purpose.

I dont know, Im just rambling! Sorry.
 
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lol.......What a controversal topic... iwould start yapping away but i think mine may be longer than altezzagirl and make more controversy.........
 
^ wow! that video's interesting. I think those are scene kids, not emo kids I thought emo was like dashoard, saves the day...etc, they're not brave enough to cut their wrists. one of the kids had an evergreen terace shirt on and they are very hard-core. is "emo" now just a synonym for "depression"?

so back to the free will.... it's interesting that when babies are born their brains are like half as big as adults and a good ammount of their surroundings effects their mental nature. you can see it in kids getting beat or molested, they brow up all messed up. according to evolution, nature wants us all to be normal functioning human beings and to pass it on to our offspring (survival of fittest); and if your father beats the crap out of u and u got effed up in the head this doesn't work. Predestination is a religious belief. It comes from the idea that God's will will always prevail over anyone else's. i however believe this too but also believe we have the choice to choose to do what we want if not effecting his will.
It's like getting drunk in your house, it doesn't interfere with government opperations, but if you drink and drive and kill people it will, and U will not be allowed to function as a member of society. So i dont think God would allow a complete polution or distruction of the world or everyone in it, but he allows man to rule himself which causes problems like wars.
 
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