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hey guys as u know i wanted swap the 2j in my car but dats money i really dont have and i will never be posible for me (unless i win the lottery) but the silvertop seem more in my price range 4 howmuch can i buy a silvetop 4, and wat trany do i need to buy and how much money is it to install it.


all the help will be helpfull
 
for one your on the wrong forum for that you should try club4ag.com that would help you out more..


a silver top runs for about $800 and up.. there not hard to install because but very hard to wire up thats where you'll be spending some $money$.. as far as the tranny you would use your 4age tranny... good luck..
 
madcowCONV said:
for one your on the wrong forum for that you should try club4ag.com that would help you out more..


a silver top runs for about $800 and up.. there not hard to install because but very hard to wire up thats where you'll be spending some $money$.. as far as the tranny you would use your 4age tranny... good luck..
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Don't forget the custom water lines, the dizzy is also another problem, the headers might have to be modified a little to fit the 20v. Most headers are designed for a 16v(unless they made specific for the 20v DansToy makes a very nice header for the 20v). If you shop around you can go as low as $700(full swap tranny, engine, etc).

About the wiring I know someone who can do all that for you and then send it by mail to you, he's on Club4ag. Don't let all that discourage you though, just takes a little time, buying parts here and there. Yeah the tranny you have would be fine. It also depends if your car is an SR5 and you want to swap a EFI 20v(more work to convert it).

If you do have a SR5 what you can do is buy some of the things a GTS has(diff, 4ag engine, engine mounts, etc) and swap them over. Basically convert a 4AG into a carb side draft setup(similar to Hibino's and Immamura's old carb ae86s). It would help if you put a little work in the 16v if you go with carbs(hi-comp pistions, stronger rods, Cams, etc or just buy a Hi-comp redtop engine). There are way more things I just did more of a summary sort of thing. Any questions just as me on the PM or go to www.Club4ag.com (check out the tech reference page, it will help you out a lot)
 
imho, no point in swapping in a BONE stock 20v s/t at least get the stacks open be means of an ecu, and a nice header, and some kind of digital ignition
 
madcowCONV said:
the main reasson people Do 20v is because you cant find 4AGE'S... because they all turn to crap lol....
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Theres plenty of places that sell n/a 16v 4AGs, the problem is it takes a lot more $ to build them up compared to a 20v n/a. Its not so much the engines take a crap it's people get the high mileage engines(remember cars are now 20+ yrs old) and don't do any sort of rebuild to them(either oem or aftermarket). The engine is know to be very reliable and take heavy abuse. But like everything you have to be on top of the maintence. There's daily driver maintence and track car maintence. . .there's a big difference.

You'll also need to run a blacktop 20v or a standalone ecu to run open ITBs, the cheaper way to run the dizzy is to bang the firewall out for it to fit or buy a front mount dizzy kit.

PS I feel weird having a discussion about ae86s and 4ags on this site. . .a good weird though :D
 
The Redline 03 said:
PS I feel weird having a discussion about ae86s and 4ags on this site. . .a good weird though :D
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lol :laugh: :bigthumbu

i know i thought we were on club 4ag..

and i know what you mean about rebuilding. i re built my 4age and the thing wont even turn on..
 
madcowCONV said:
lol :laugh: :bigthumbu

i know i thought we were on club 4ag..

and i know what you mean about rebuilding. i re built my 4age and the thing wont even turn on..
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By "I" you mean you did it yourself or a shop did it. It also depends what part of the engine did you rebuild? If the block has problems and you rebuild the head. . .well I think you know where I'm getting at. Maybe I can help out, there's tons of reasons why an engine won't start(some are major problems and some minor).
 
The Redline 03 said:
Don't forget the custom water lines, the dizzy is also another problem, the headers might have to be modified a little to fit the 20v. Most headers are designed for a 16v(unless they made specific for the 20v DansToy makes a very nice header for the 20v). If you shop around you can go as low as $700(full swap tranny, engine, etc).

About the wiring I know someone who can do all that for you and then send it by mail to you, he's on Club4ag. Don't let all that discourage you though, just takes a little time, buying parts here and there. Yeah the tranny you have would be fine. It also depends if your car is an SR5 and you want to swap a EFI 20v(more work to convert it).

If you do have a SR5 what you can do is buy some of the things a GTS has(diff, 4ag engine, engine mounts, etc) and swap them over. Basically convert a 4AG into a carb side draft setup(similar to Hibino's and Immamura's old carb ae86s). It would help if you put a little work in the 16v if you go with carbs(hi-comp pistions, stronger rods, Cams, etc or just buy a Hi-comp redtop engine). There are way more things I just did more of a summary sort of thing. Any questions just as me on the PM or go to www.Club4ag.com (check out the tech reference page, it will help you out a lot)
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can't use the 20v headers PERIOD it protrudes w/ you engine mounts and ANY 16v GTS RWD header will work and bolt up flawlessly.

i have a wiring dud that did my 20v swap and my friend's blacktop if you want some #s. ~ $600-800 to wire and startup your car, including interior, dash etc etc etc depending on what harness/wiring you provide

SR5 engine/tranny mounts will work. no GTS rear end needed but its nice to have breaks on all 4 corners + an lsd :bigthumbu . Remember you'll be using the stock transmission, wether SR5 or GTS, its the same one (minus speedo gear and location of starter/slave cyl), everything will bolt up like it was stock

i'm on a hurry sry for the lack on info. pm me if you REALLY need some info. hate it when ppl blow smoke. peace.



*edit* also. you dont need blacktop ITB to run well... ITB ~ no afm. silvertop ITBs, although slightly smaller in diameter, w/ help of a single (for a poor job) or vacuum lines from the tiny holes in each TB to a cylinder so to connect all vacuums and from there to the MAP sensor + Blacktop ecu is more than enough. wiring also needed. i know nothing of carburation or Megasquirt on this engine though. btw i'm not picking on you Redline. you're cool.
 
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pretty sure the rwd 16vheader doesnt bolt up like nothing.....need to notch the last hole closest to front of motor
 
No problem man. Its my fault actually I tried to rush all the info out because I was in a hurry. Now I have time to defend my honor lol.

Well, let's start with the 16v rwd header fitting on the 20v, it takes a small modification to make it work but its still a modification. More pics and info can be provided if you go on Club4AG, go to "Tech Reference" and look for "DIY: How To Install a 20 Valve Engine Into An AE86". It should be a sticky on there.
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Now, yes there are companies that make a 20v headers for the ae86 chassis swap. I should've said that before sorry. For more info http://www.danstoy.net/products.html
Very nice headers, wish I had the $ for those.
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Yes, what etxxz said about the GTS diff is not needed is true but I don't see the point in an ae86 w/o the proper parts on it. For example having a GTS rear end will benefit you way more than using the stock SR5 one for many reasons. Two major ones being the LSD conversion(aftermarket or oem) and rear disc brakes. I would also change the engine and tranny mounts being the car is 20yrs old and if you plan any hard driving, some Cusco ones are good :bigthumbu. Another reason to change them are they don't cost much and its a perfect time since your swapping many things out. I guess I rather do it the right way first to save me more work later.

Now I didnt say anything about the silvertop ITBs being bad or inefficient. They work very well, many D1 pros use them for their 16v engines. Yeah you will need a blacktop ecu to run open ITBs or a standalone ecu. I just realized I typed:
"You'll also need to run a blacktop 20v or a standalone ecu to run open ITBs, the cheaper way to run the dizzy is to bang the firewall out for it to fit or buy a front mount dizzy kit."
Sorry I meant to say blacktop ecu.
 
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gze makes t50's granade :laugh: . met a guy in orlando who dynoed 175hp 192trq and had gone 2trannies in the 6mo he's had the swap. Anyhows, people debate that the stock 16v header is very good and doenst need upgrading but rather have the downpipe and exhaust done. you need to grind just a tad from the front and rear ends of the exhaust manifold and you're set. those two club4ag swap thred/info page are the best two sites in the whole internet...whoever's doing the swap needs to memorize them

if you look at the thread you'll see all my newbish questions from back in the day :bigthumbu
 
etxxz said:
gze makes t50's granade :laugh: . met a guy in orlando who dynoed 175hp 192trq and had gone 2trannies in the 6mo he's had the swap. Anyhows, people debate that the stock 16v header is very good and doenst need upgrading but rather have the downpipe and exhaust done. you need to grind just a tad from the front and rear ends of the exhaust manifold and you're set. those two club4ag swap thred/info page are the best two sites in the whole internet...whoever's doing the swap needs to memorize them

if you look at the thread you'll see all my newbish questions from back in the day :bigthumbu
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That's true the 4agze does grenades T50s. It would be better to get the w55 tranny with a 4ag bell housing. Yoshie in FD had problems with hers, John Yim was lucky with his. His clutch slipped just enough to not destory his tranny. I remember people having that disscusion about the 16v oem header, some just said it plain just looks ugly on a 20v lol. If you get the Dans Toy one that will not look ugly on your hood :D , I love that header for the 20v ae86.

So etxxz did I regain my honor now lol. Hey hit me up on PM or AIM if you want to drive to the "track" together.
 
only problem is acutally getting the danstoy from him....back in the day he was shit...i heard hes been fucking up as in ripping people off and not sending them the header......not only do.."the pro's" use 20v itb's...but some of the toda itb kits use a the 20v itb's as a base...check it out i think todas site is down tho
 
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