The Bladder Perspective (Part 2)

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So i'm sitting on top of my friends new car, minding my own business. Next thing you know I hear tires squealing and see people jumping away. Surely enough I do the same since I didn't know wtf was going on. As I hear the crash, parts from the car are flying towards my area. Like a bomb exploding and the shrapnel flying all over the place. After the crash happens, I look back and I noticed it was the red AE86 GT-S hatchback that hit the fence we were standing next to. Now, most people would be surprised this happened. But I, along with some of the other people I was talking with, was not surprised at all this happened. And I was also not surprised to see so many crashes happened at this last Hialeah Speedway event. How was I not surprised? Let me try to explain.

Throughout all the events that I've attended, there seems to be a similarity between them all. Theres always atleast 1 person who goes out there for the first time at the track, with little to no experience, thinking he has the capability to drift the oval. Why!?!?!? There should be no reason for you to attempt to drift the oval unless you're cruising it to see how it's like. I always tried to tell this to newcomers at the Hialeah Speedway events, "Do not attempt to drift the oval, focus on the infield." The oval should only be drifted upon drivers who have experience. Not by your average n00b. Okay, I understand that if they never take the oval, they might not be able to increase their skill level further. But, think about it like this. If you're able to conquer the infield, the oval should be not much of a problem. Compare that to someone who decides to conquer the oval first before conquering the infield. I only re-iterate this so that people can drive their cars home at the end of the day.

Another problem I see often is people pushing themselves, and their cars, past their limit when they shouldn't need to. You can't push yourself past a point your skill can't handle. People have crashed and totalled their cars because of this. They need to slow down, open their minds, and learn. Part of the problem I believe is that they get too over-confident. That is one of my fear folks, especially since i'm a n00b. I fear that if I get too confident, i'll end up making a big mistake. xero240 suggested I get confident when I go out to the track. I didn't whatsoever. IMO, if you focus on confidence, you won't be able to focus on other important things. I feel confidence should come after you gain some experience and skill. For example, the first time I slid around a parking lot, I didn't feel confident. I felt I had no skill or experience to be confident to slide around a parking lot. It was only after the second day of sliding the parking lot that I felt confidence. Why? Because I felt I had the experience and skill to be confident to slide around the parking lot.

There are those that aren't doing what I have just stated though. For instance, the Ford Mustang Cobra I saw at the track didn't do anything special (no offence to the owner ;) ). But I'm really glad he did that. He wasn't sliding around crazy. He was taking his time little-by-little trying to understand his car and the track. That is IMO, what all n00bs should be doing. Take it easy and slow at the beginning and slowly work your way up.

All of this doesn't explain all the crashes that has happened at Hialeah Speedway. There are many other variables that come into play. From weather, track conditions, car conditions, etc. But i'm just trying to point out a common practice that I have noticed with many newcomers to Hialeah Speedway. Anybody of course may feel differently about this. I might be wrong about some things, we're not all perfect. But if you feel differently about something, speak your mind. Drive safe and I'll see you all at the next event. Thnx for reading.
 
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That is a valid point to explain the crash of the AE86 today. However I have reason to believe that this had little to do with the other cars.

The blue Miata was coming from the infield if I am not mistaken....

The Harri and Santi incident was a choice between that or the wall.

I have no idea what happened to Chelsea, however I would say his skill is definetly able to handle the oval.

Now here's a fun one. Note I wasnt there but I was informed this from various different people and I just thought this was the icing on the cake. Someone driving a 240sx that was not even his, wrecked the car while attempting to do the oval while putting both hands out the window. This grabbed my attention. First of all.... no one knew who he was, and that leads me to believe he never drove at the track. Second of all, it's not his car. I would never dare an oval in someone else's car, knowing the reprecussions that might follow. Third and most importantly, this is a practice. In no way shape or form are you supposed to show off to others. The sole purpose of this event is to improve your skills, and that requires your full 100% concentration on the car's controls. An occasional hand out the window of a professional driver is acceptable, because mainly he knows what he is doing. He is comfortable enough to control his car around the slide. It is still somewhat futile to do it.

I just feel bad for the real owner of that car. I am hoping to see some good pics of the event because curiosity runs through my mind.
 
rwdrift said:
That is a valid point to explain the crash of the AE86 today. However I have reason to believe that this had little to do with the other cars.
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Of course. Which is why I said:

BLADDER_MASTER said:
All of this doesn't explain all the crashes that has happened at Hialeah Speedway. There are many other variables that come into play. From weather, track conditions, car conditions, etc.
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rwdrift said:
Now here's a fun one. Note I wasnt there but I was informed this from various different people and I just thought this was the icing on the cake. Someone driving a 240sx that was not even his, wrecked the car while attempting to do the oval while putting both hands out the window. This grabbed my attention. First of all.... no one knew who he was, and that leads me to believe he never drove at the track. Second of all, it's not his car. I would never dare an oval in someone else's car, knowing the reprecussions that might follow. Third and most importantly, this is a practice. In no way shape or form are you supposed to show off to others. The sole purpose of this event is to improve your skills, and that requires your full 100% concentration on the car's controls. An occasional hand out the window of a professional driver is acceptable, because mainly he knows what he is doing. He is comfortable enough to control his car around the slide. It is still somewhat futile to do it.

I just feel bad for the real owner of that car. I am hoping to see some good pics of the event because curiosity runs through my mind.
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I completely agree with you on this part. Next thing you know we'll have someone putting both their hands and feet out their window. :rolleyes:
 
Of course I ignored your "no oval" rule and went at it with 86% balls to the wall. The most I got was halfway and spun. It is a challenge for anyone I think, how they attack it is what is important.
 
All of you guys have made very good points and I agree with them totaly, however on the point that bladder made about going out there with confidence I say it cuse I know from experience that if your not confident then you are insecured, and you fear it, so now you are more likely to make a mistake, cuse insecurity or fear does not know how to drive :eek: , YOU DO! :cool: so you need to leave those 2 behind. Having confidence does not give you the skill to show off cuse agin I learned from experience that wen you try to show off you most likely will F**K up.
The way I see it is like this insecurity and fear are 2 things people have to deal with wile drifting, I rather be confident and respect my limits.
 
Juan, I can relate to what you are saying because I know what was on my mind when I accomplished the oval in the last event. I still cant put it into specific words or an exact meaning but I do believe the only reason why I was crazy enough to attempt it was the lack of regard for the consequences. I knew my car was a wreck and that it was time to move on to a new chassis.

However confidence is hard when you never mastered it. You cant believe in something you havent done... if you can I gotta learn that trick one day. I cant really explain it.... it obviously isnt sheer luck, but I dont exatcly think it's confidence that'll get you to accomplish an oval for the first time.... maybe denial.

I'll reply back on this when I have a more concrete thought on the subject.
 
xero240 said:
All of you guys have made very good points and I agree with them totaly, however on the point that bladder made about going out there with confidence I say it cuse I know from experience that if your not confident then you are insecured, and you fear it, so now you are more likely to make a mistake, cuse insecurity or fear does not know how to drive :eek: , YOU DO! :cool: so you need to leave those 2 behind. Having confidence does not give you the skill to show off cuse agin I learned from experience that wen you try to show off you most likely will F**K up.
The way I see it is like this insecurity and fear are 2 things people have to deal with wile drifting, I rather be confident and respect my limits.
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It depends on the person IMO. One person could act the way you described or handle the situation different. In my case, I felt no fear or insecurity the first time around since I was too busy focusing on learning the car and track. I'm pretty confident by the 3rd or 4th run I would've done a lot better. ;)
 
+++++++++++++1111111111111111111111 im not saying which car i called, but it was more than one.....
 
Ooooooh!!! I wanna add stuff too!

What I noticed from most every crash on the big turn, is the driver either;
A) Overcountersteers and makes out with the wall
B) Spins out and rolls back into the wall
C) Locks up the brakes and understeers into it.

These options also apply to people who have made Infield mistakes.

Now Confindence is something you need to have, if you can't believe in yourself that you can do it, don't even try it. But D1 and Formula D drivers didn't get sponsored because they are confident. So you also need to know what you are doing. I've told many people this already, if you don't feel comfortable doing it, don't do it. Although you may be able to do it, shouldn't try it if you don't feel comfortable trying it. As you practice more, you will get more comfortable and then most likely try it.

Which also brings up ****yness. Don't mistake ****yness for Confidence. This is my opinion, and I know everyone will probably think differently, but WHY THE **** WOULD YOU TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF THE STEERING WHEEL WHILE DRIFTING UNLESS TO SHIFT AND EBRAKE?!?!?! what is it with people and the fascination of sticking their hands out the window while drifting? If you think it makes you look cool and a good driver, **** I'ma start driving everywhere with my hand out the window so everyone on the road can see how good I can drive! It's the stupidest ****ing thing I've ever seen.

As far as first timers attempting the big turn, I think it's a good idea if they have confidence and the equipment to do it. I did it the first time without a problem. I'm sure a few other people have too. But if you don't have a LSD or the power, you are just asking for an accident.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST.

WHY WOULD ANYONE COUNTERSTEER AWAY FROM THE GRASS INTO A WALL IN THE FIRST PLACE?

ALWAYS STEER INTO THE GRASS OPPOSED TO WALLS TREES ETC. It's better to get your rims dirty than destroy your car. AND NEVER SLAM YOUR BRAKES AND TRY TURNING, THIS ISNT A VIDEO GAME, THAT STUFF DOESNT WORK.
 
i stick my hand out the window ALL the time, and plaayy with the wind, but people dont think im cool, untill i hit t3h n4wz, right dan....lol
 
well I daily my car harder than I drive at the track [which explains why my car is totaled right now lol] so I forgot about you granny drivers who probably do drive with one hand.
 
um it was my 1st time doing the oval too! but i see where i was making mistakes.
 
Uras of the East said:
OHH THIS IS FUN, I Have totalled in Hialeah TWICE, first time it was the fact that overcounter and bang there was the wall, and the second time my front tires lost traction and slipped in top of some grabble that we all know is really common in Hialeah. What i saw on sunday was people acting like Idiots no offence to most of the drivers who werent acting like idiots, you are in a track surrounded by walls you make a mistake and it will cost you. If you see your tried the oval and you couldnt make it the first time practice on the inside until you feel confortable enough,Ex: Okami in my opinion he was getting better by the minute. Why? cause he was confident and he practice on the inside until he felt he was ready for the Oval. Other people just thought because they drifted in the parking lot of Wallmart they could go outthere and link the whole track , others think they are D1 professionals. but to all of you Drifting is something new try to make it as pleasant as possible, so practice more and dont try stupid ****, I am telling you because of my many crashes, dont push your car or skill until you know you are ready. Peace & Love


Rob.
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hey at least they had some practice at the Wallmart, I havent drifted before this event in over 4 months.
 
This was the thread I was waiting for. I couldn't help but notice the many c0cky newcomers and like I've posted a few times, I don't see the point in showing off, period. Your skill shows as you become better. If I had anyone cheering for me, it was because of what I was able to pull after everything I've learned, not from sticking a hand out (or two).
As for confidence, I think all you need to worry about is to keep your focus on practicing and the weather conditions, rather than doing better than someone else or showing off; it's completely hypocritical to the concept of a practice event in my opinion.
 
Man i learend alot that event. All you gotta do is have fun. Anthoney dori dori told me a really smart thing he says when ur about 2 spin out clutch in.... if u catch it fast enough u wont spin... its tru. Every time i spun clutch in. It avoided me the walls more than once. To everyone else good job and keep it going guys!
 
:D Hope you guys enjoyed I missed out as usual (pussy talk). Anyways crashing and drifting are like ying and yang, evil and good, you just can't have one without the other. Think of it as gods way of cleansing the bandwagoneers out of drifting. If a poser crashes he is more than likely to quit it all out. I remember the last event and there was a lot and I mean a lot of spectators critcisizing the drifters with comments like: (wait till I get my ride ready Dog I'll own these mother****ers) & ( These guys suck I could do that) These my friends are the ones who have jumped on the bandwagon not to perform but just to be part of the fad.
Let the cleansing begin :D
 
Yeah but you stuck it out you didn't all of a sudden say: I never really liked drifting anyways, I'm gonna build a show car.
 
If a poser crashes he is more than likely to quit it all out. I remember the last event and there was a lot and I mean a lot of spectators critcisizing the drifters with comments like: (wait till I get my ride ready Dog I'll own these mother****ers) & ( These guys suck I could do that) These my friends are the ones who have jumped on the bandwagon not to perform but just to be part of the fad.
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I so agree-- I was very upset at these high school kids who criticized my car the the footage Bladder recorded. "Be serious, guy, be serious", "My car doesn't even have that much bodyroll!" --I have aftermarket shocks and Eibach springs, and a strut bar --- him being a spectator, he more than likely was stock in my opinion. He also didn't know that my front left shock is defective, and that my rear wheel cylinder has a leak (it was in the same condition during this event as well). I wish people would actually think outside the proximity of their asses for once.

Sorry for the rant. Closed-minded people really get to me.
 
You still got my respect bro.
And so do every one of you guys who stick it out everytime.
I love you in a NON-Ralph type of way.
Now I only wish my ****ed up situation clears up so I can learn from you mother-fudgers!
Ha beat you spell-check-a-ma-jigger!

Uras of the East said:
I Do Say Stuff When I Am Standing On The Fence But Most Of The Times This Is What I Am Saying; "good, Good, Now Hold It ****" " Let The Front Grab, Clutch Kick" Etc.
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And he's not lying, during the last event everytime I was by Robert he was saying stuff like that.
 
Has anyone ever considered that spectators might be a problem for drift clinics/practices??

There were quite a bit of people just watching there. It could cause drivers to become nervous or feel that they have to show off. I myself was a bit intimidated by them, but when the guy flagged me to start driving they all disappeared in my head.

It may sound retarded, but think about this...... Would the fastback driver stick BOTH his arms and try to steer with his knee to an empty fence???

As for the 86 driver, I do not know what happened to him. He just pushed way too hard.

In the end, $5 a head is good to make money, but I Think practices and clinics should be drivers only *with the usual 1-2 people accompanying the driver*
 
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