The Bladder Perspective (Part 2)

I dunno.... I never thought about it. I'm way too focused on my driving to pay attention to others.
 
kwkouki said:
Has anyone ever considered that spectators might be a problem for drift clinics/practices??

There were quite a bit of people just watching there. It could cause drivers to become nervous or feel that they have to show off. I myself was a bit intimidated by them, but when the guy flagged me to start driving they all disappeared in my head.

It may sound retarded, but think about this...... Would the fastback driver stick BOTH his arms and try to steer with his knee to an empty fence???

As for the 86 driver, I do not know what happened to him. He just pushed way too hard.

In the end, $5 a head is good to make money, but I Think practices and clinics should be drivers only *with the usual 1-2 people accompanying the driver*
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yea but drivers only dont cover the cost of the track and all the expences that come along with it
 
kwkouki said:
Has anyone ever considered that spectators might be a problem for drift clinics/practices??

There were quite a bit of people just watching there. It could cause drivers to become nervous or feel that they have to show off. I myself was a bit intimidated by them, but when the guy flagged me to start driving they all disappeared in my head.

It may sound retarded, but think about this...... Would the fastback driver stick BOTH his arms and try to steer with his knee to an empty fence???

As for the 86 driver, I do not know what happened to him. He just pushed way too hard.

In the end, $5 a head is good to make money, but I Think practices and clinics should be drivers only *with the usual 1-2 people accompanying the driver*
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I Kind Of Agree With that There Were Some People There Talking A Lot Of Smack..... I Mean There Was 4 guys They Were Speaking Jamaican Or Sumthing Like that (It Sounded Like It) But Everytime Sum1 Would Spin Out Or Crash The S hit Talking Begun... But other Than That Its Great To See Every1 Come Out To The Practices So Every1 Can See The Growth And Potential Of Drifting In South Florida And I Guarantee No Other Local Events Have Drifting Like At Hialeah Speedway From the Tandems To The Overall Skill Of Drivers And Big Ups For Ter-Tech Bringing Out The Bimmer And A Great Event.
 
kwkouki said:
Of course I ignored your "no oval" rule and went at it with 86% balls to the wall. The most I got was halfway and spun. It is a challenge for anyone I think, how they attack it is what is important.
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Yes you did, but you also told me before you even got out on the track that you were going to play in the infeild to get to know the car a bit better seeing as you havn't slid on the new suspension and those tires. So imo you did the right thing TJ.

illphantasm said:
I so agree-- I was very upset at these high school kids who criticized my car the the footage Bladder recorded. "Be serious, guy, be serious", "My car doesn't even have that much bodyroll!" --I have aftermarket shocks and Eibach springs, and a strut bar --- him being a spectator, he more than likely was stock in my opinion. He also didn't know that my front left shock is defective, and that my rear wheel cylinder has a leak (it was in the same condition during this event as well). I wish people would actually think outside the proximity of their asses for once.

Sorry for the rant. Closed-minded people really get to me.
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Dude, next time write the problems on your rear window in shoe polish lol. I wrote "Will sing and dance 4 LSD" In the dirt on KwKouki's car for him. :)

kwkouki said:
Has anyone ever considered that spectators might be a problem for drift clinics/practices??

There were quite a bit of people just watching there. It could cause drivers to become nervous or feel that they have to show off. I myself was a bit intimidated by them, but when the guy flagged me to start driving they all disappeared in my head.

It may sound retarded, but think about this...... Would the fastback driver stick BOTH his arms and try to steer with his knee to an empty fence???

As for the 86 driver, I do not know what happened to him. He just pushed way too hard.

In the end, $5 a head is good to make money, but I Think practices and clinics should be drivers only *with the usual 1-2 people accompanying the driver*
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Its a good thing im a pit beech/sfl video beech.
 
good idea, but eh, I don't think my rear windshield is has enough space for all my problems, lol. Besides, I just don't like people who talk what they don't know about (you know and have heard the crap those poser kids talk). I'm straying but about spectators --- as longas you have your mind focused on what you're doing, the participant should do fine. Whenever I "attempt" the oval, I just glance to see if anyone's cheering -- if so, that must mean I'm getting better. If they seem bored, then I take it that either I'm not doing so hot, and /or to focus on the infield.
 
ok the way I see it is that a few of the accidents that happened out there were just pure idiocy! I mean they had a few that were just well no way around them and were done by people who are veterans at this track! You have guys like dudoucious, george, chelsea who know this track, have crashed this track and know what this track is capable of doing, but they still do it because they know at what level to do things. Then you have the other guys who see initial d one too many times and believe that drifting the oval is easy. Im going to say this much, I have never drifted the oval, but just looking at it is enough to tell me not to try it. I know for a fact that I dont have the skill of the knowledge to drift it. I mean im not going to bash on the guys that try it...but the difference is that you have the people who know there limits, try it and either accomplish it and keep going or know there not good enough for it yet and just practice...Its never wrong to learn through trial and error. But remember guys in hialeah especially the oval even a small error can result in you slamming into the wall!
 
Alchemist XL said:
Now Confindence is something you need to have, if you can't believe in yourself that you can do it, don't even try it. But D1 and Formula D drivers didn't get sponsored because they are confident. So you also need to know what you are doing. I've told many people this already, if you don't feel comfortable doing it, don't do it. Although you may be able to do it, shouldn't try it if you don't feel comfortable trying it. As you practice more, you will get more comfortable and then most likely try it.

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I know I'm a little late on this one, but I thought I'd contribute. I wasn't there, hell I've never seen Hialeah Speedway, but that's irrelevent to what I'm about to say anyhow. I completely agree with the above statement. I need to add that confidence without skill is blind ****iness.

A learning curve should be a progressive thing where your newly developed skills build your confidence, after all blind confidence is never going to build skills. You gotta learn to walk before you can run. I'm guessing that that is what happens to a lot of people who go out there to drift the oval and crash. Granted, people crash for various reasons everywhere, even the best in the biz wad up a car here and there -- things happen when you're pushing yourself and your car for all it's worth.

Still though, for guys getting into drifting and really interested in learning, learn to walk before you run. Learn your car, what happens when you transfer weight, etc. Familiarity w/ your car and vehicle dynamics in general is what's going to give you the confidence, not pretending to have the balls to pull something off. As you build skills, each step up will be a smaller one.

The problem with false confidence is it takes away from the learning. I've seen it mostly firsthand at racing schools, a guy tries to push himself beyond his own skill, has a big moment, then his progress slows down because now he's afraid to try to go faster. That's why they don't use stopwatches at racing schools, and why you don't have judges at drift clinics.

Sorry about the long rant!
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They should have this thread on hand for every drift event, and it should be mandatory to read this and look at all the pics of crashes in hialeah inorder to drift in the event. they really should have some rules laid out before going in there. I remember when i participated (a very long long time ago heh) they had a track for Novice (the cones) and the track for Advanced (infield and big oval). they should do something like that.
 
FAL said:
They should have this thread on hand for every drift event, and it should be mandatory to read this and look at all the pics of crashes in hialeah inorder to drift in the event. they really should have some rules laid out before going in there. I remember when i participated (a very long long time ago heh) they had a track for Novice (the cones) and the track for Advanced (infield and big oval). they should do something like that.
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Great point! And thanks guys for the kind words! As I've mentioned before, the only "official" drifting I had done was in Cali, more specifically Drift Association's Drift Days.

What they do at the Drift Days (keep in mind it's a huge parking lot) is they have a couple of courses set up, and a little area with a figure 8 and a circle for donuts. All of the courses are coned, but they are designed with different levels of difficulty, usually not too hard. But they have a list of advanced drivers, which you actually try out for and are judged by guys like Alex Pfeiffer, Taka, etc. So when you feel you're ready, you can try out for advanced status.

If you make it, that qualifies you to enter a Drift Day advanced day, which has much faster courses with fast entries (top of 3rd/4th) and huge corners to clear. Also you can enter the competitions they have.

The same concept can be applied here, you can start out at one level, learn without too much pressure, and then you could do a tryout to see if you make it to advanced status. Advanced status to me should mean one has consistent control of his car, is able to adjust his angle/speed if need be, and basically isn't overdriving it.

That doesn't guarantee no accidents, but at least you know those accidents don't come from sheer inexperience or blind overconfidence.
 
no problem G.T.

the only thing that doesn't work out with your idea is that here in SoFla unfortunetly there is not such a strong following in Drifting as California and other places (like i guess Atlanta area) . So i understand why Ter-Tech can't do the Drivers only thing or such events as you stated, they need to get as many drivers in one event as they can because as you can see even with an open event we don't get as many drivers as I'm sure there are in California. and then Ter-Tech would lose money holding the professional event with less drivers. I liked that first event with Antonio from Cipher Garage even though he was being ****ish to some of the drivers, the event layout was very nice, Novice and Advanced classes so its the best of both worlds
 
I like the idea of the novice / advanced separation, but then again, I wouldn't have had it any other way than how it has been for me the last two events. I really liked preselecting my own routes because it really helped me get the most variety out of the track, as well as give me the chance to try the oval at my own leisure, not that I was dying for the oval, but for variety and experience's sake, that opportunity was always there.
 
Yeah I agree with both of you that it's different here for sure, one thing I did mention is that they use a HUGE lot there at CA Speedway, which allows for the room of multiple courses. It's too bad that venues are so lmited here in So. Florida. It sounds like splitting groups here isn't practical given the venue/turnout, but it's definitely a good way to go if the venue can accomodate it.

As far as turnout, Drift Day limits it to 45 drivers, which I wouldn't think is too much more than here is it? Either way, charging 5 bucks for spectators is a great idea for added revenue. If I remember correctly when I did the advanced Drift Day in CA, they charged 5 bucks there as well for spectators, probably because most of the Formula D guys were using it as a test day.
 
yeah i have never tried drifting the oval since i knew my car was a piece.

The first time i went out on the track i was reall nervous i felt i had something to prove.... i went out there and i sucked just like everybody else lol. Then after that i just went out there to have fun. Even at the competition i just relaxed and had fun my goal was to get into the top 5 and i accomplised it without gettting stressed out. I never gave a thought to the people watching although that would be a good thing to not have for people who have stage frieght.

The most important thing when your learning is to have fun and dont overstep what your capable of
 
"But every clever rider, I think, is scared. This is because our sport is dangerous and fear is important to understand the limit - to stay quite near the limit but never go too much." Valentino Rossi
 
"You've got to take small steps to find out where the limit is. You have to learn that fine line of where the car starts to break loose and learn to control it. But, to spin to find the limit? Not on a damned oval, you don't!" - Danny Sullivan
 
Since we are quoting drivers/riders now. This quote is simple and straight to the point from one of the greastest drivers of all time if not the best, may he rest in peace. . .
"The main thing is to make sure you learn from your mistakes and get better." - Ayrton Senna
 
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