Grrrrrrr

[s0loWkooPi]

idk i just want to be able to say white power without me being called racist. Its fine for a black person to say black power, but if I say white power it means I hate black people (or all other races collectively). What I can't be proud of my lack of pigment.

if I were orange i'd sig this...

qft

 

[JiujitsuDrift]

I personally like Rap until I hear some dumbass spouting off retarded lyrical feces

No joke, today I got another dose of it that nearly set me off

Young Jeezy- Crazy World:


The next verse goes on about, "as this crazy world keeps spinnin, keepin the rims still spinnin"

Some shit like that....

Now seriously, this guy I think wrecked a Lambo not too long ago, he's talkin about a decision between buying a new bentley or buying his auntie a kidney????

WTF? You completely lost the point of this song. Please, stay on the country station.

 

[Damian P]

Jayz is the man!!!!

 

[gsracer]

why cant kanye west just die, let us not forget his genius comments

i love the look on mike myers and chris tuckers face lol, its priceless

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[Tonymac]

It gets me that its completely socially acceptable to use derogatory slang words in the black community to describe white people. Cracker this honky that. You catch one white man doing the same but for blacks, and like south park said, you're just another n*gger guy.

 

[ElusiveDRFT]

LOL That was awkward !!! ^^^ Chris tucker was like ooooooooh ok so now im talking? Ohtay LULZ

 

[Sean Love]

WTF? You completely lost the point of this song. Please, stay on the country station.

Haha, I dont listen to country very often but most country artists honor people who do an honest days work and pride themselves on raising their children right. Funny how listening to country can get you branded as a redneck and in some small-minded people's heads even as a racist.

Yet many of the people who listen to country music are some of the only decent human beings left in this country.

So why don't you explain the point of this song to me as you see it, I mean this seriously. I personally dont see any tough decision between helping family in need versus flaunting some expensive car...

Auntie's kidney = right thing

Bentley = other people envy you

In a moral persons mind it's not even a question. Besides he made his money selling drugs, at least he could turn it around and make something good come of it

I see all of your points.
But remember Music is a BUSINESS.
Supply and Demand.
If people are eating this stuff up, then I'm gonna provide it.
You need to turn to POP music, they're even worse.

Your beef with the lyrics, that you posted up,I def can't co-sign that.
Those seem to be genuine thoughts and feelings.
I want a R35 GTR but I gotta pay the bills, damn. (I'm smart enough not to have one, since I can't afford one)
Jayz/Jeezy/TI really did sell drugs, he came from damn near the bottom. He worked and hustled hard to get to where he is today. (not that its right, its just REALITY)
Guess what all people are walking contradictions.
Unless your are the Perfect human being.

I don't know any of you, but it seems like a lot of you are suburban people.
Who have been lucky enough to have not been brought up poor and in the ghetto.
Your parents have done a decent job watching over you and teaching the right things.

But you don't know what it is to be on the other side of the fence.
Everybody doesn't live in the nice suburbs.
Picture this, you have nothing, you live in the ghetto, your parents havent finished HS, they work 2-3 crappy paying jobs to get by, so no one is there to watch you, you hangout in the streets, you see whats going on, the only people making $ is the dude on the corner, you envy what he and other more priviledge people have, so you try to get it easiest and fastest way you can. (Think all of this with the mind set of a uneducated child.)
The story goes on and on from here, but I'm sure you've watched enough TV to extrapolate the rest. (and no I'm not talking about "The Hills" or my big booty wife Kardashians)


Oh yeah. Guess what Racism is still alive, even though its 2010 and Obama is in office.
I've been harrassed by cops because I was black.
Even though I'm probably the "whitest black guy since Carlton Banks".

Yes, there are TONS of stupid people, Black, white, etc etc etc.
Blame it on the man ----> STFU, pick yourself up and better your self/situation
Idolize/lust over $$$, jewelery, materialistic things ---> Not my thing, but fine if you can afford it. PRIORITIES people!!!!


This is America.
You have the right to Hate on anything you like.
EVERYTHING IS PERSPECTIVE.
Think about it before you hate on anything.

I hate rednecks!!! (No, not white people don't get it twisted)
I hate ignorant people!!
I hate stupid people!!!!!!!!
I'm an equal opportunity hater.

Doesn't mean that I'm right, or that I know the circumstances/situations of other people.

There's a lot more.
But i'm getting my work on.
Damn the MAN!!! j/k

I appreciate you taking the time to write a detailed response.

I do understand that people's lives are subject to circumstance. The problem I have is that many of these artists made enough money to build a decent legitimate life and could recognize the evils resopnsible for the crap they went through and could encourage kids to do something better. Maybe encourage more fathers to stick around and be stand-up men ( dont take that as a stereotype of black fathers; two of my best friends never met their fathers)....

I have more sympathy for the guy selling crack today than for the guy who did it, got rich and is still glamorizing it to make even more money, crashing lambos, poppin bottles etc.... rather than admitting it was the wrong, using their influence for good and going out to try and create a positive change in those communities.

Its interesting that you turned this into a discussion about the ins and outs of capitalism and believe its the fans who create the trends in the music industry today. What's interesting is that if you asked an anthropologist his/her opinion on this, they'd tell you that the corporate machine manipulates people into becoming fans of whatever music they want popular at any given time.

If it came off that I was trying to steer the discussion towards capitalism I assure you I wasnt. it was a brief commentary of my observation of part of how it works. I simply believe greed is part of the basis of capitalism in a good way. I dont see anything wrong with the opportunity to get rich, it's what stimulates innovation, furthers ideas and knowledge, and yet the market will generally keep it in check.


Now for the anthropologists view, im not sure if you are impying that their view is correct or just offering an alternative opinion. I certainly know that personally I like some songs, I hate others and there's loads of music that I find just OK. No corporations manipulate my taste in music though.

I think another aspect of this for me is the personal frustration I experience in liking the SOUND of a lot of HipHop and modern pop, yet downright despising the message it sends. The social and political anegdas are just so far out of sync with the musical vibe I get from it....

Well well well.... where do i begin.

Sean... Bravo to you sir for taking a stand against the mainstream first of all.
I cant agree with you more, those rappers are circus clowns.

But your missing the main problem with the black community that has of late trickled to the whole country, hell i see it every day on this forum.

People have lost the sense of having to work for things, everyday on this forum i see posts like " but so an so is rich" or " comments in general about people with money. Everyone wants the easy way out of everything, its all about getting things as quick as possible with as little work possible, and when people see someone who has it already or it was easier for them, because they made it already and or theyre parent already busted there asses and became succusefull and are now able to share opportunitys with there children that the parents themselves didnt have; the first instict is to HATE on them....

How this applies to RAP and the black community in general is as follows. Rappers have popularized the quote gangster life style of selling drugs, treating women like crap, having kids then leaving them. Everything about rap and almost every song is all about look at me, look at what i got etc. It has become demonized in most of the black commuinity to get good grades in school, stay off of drugs, and not break the law and to blame white people for all their problems, ( see reverend wright, jesse jackson, and al sharpton) . I have friends now that are succusfull and they told me growing up half of them where mocked because they wanted to go to college and be succusefull. The culture of the inner city african american is why this is taking place. Untill we get these people off of welfare things are never gonna change.

Now im not being racist but you cant deny these statistics

1. Today, more African-American men are in jail than in college
2. HIV is rampant among african americans
3. 47 percent of working-age (16+) African-American men either unemployed or not in the workforce.
4. 24.7% poverty rate

Now obviously im not saying all african american people are this way, as statistcly the black middle class doubled from 1998 till 2008 (which of course is a great thing) but as it pertains to the quote hip hop community.

The culture of african americans needs to change as well as many white americans in this country even some of you. Stop worring about what every one else has and what you dont and go out there and get it. Its not easy of course...... to work hard and sacrifice but it can be done.

Flame suit on!!!!

The points you make have not been lost on me in any way as a matter of fact, but I really dont want to turn this into a racial thing.

It's very easy to get caught up in seeing things racially, and I could make a good argument that racism is hard coded into every humans DNA as survival instinct from tribal times.

It's really not so much racial any more though because so many of those twisted ideals and morals have permeated their way into the normal American way of life and I admit to be sunject to it too. Hell I remember in the 80's-90's almost everyone drove normal bone stock cars around and it was only rich people or young kids who had modified stuff. These days it's everywhere, everyone trying to be cool and bling. Day by day American success is being defined more by what you have and how much you can flaunt rather than what you DO and how much you ACHIEVE or the quality of the character you create in your children.

Perhaps my subconcious goal in addressing this at all in the first place was to bring it to peoples attention in hopes that we can all recognize our flaws and try to be better people while working against the negative influences in our culture, society and communities.

Don't anyone take this as me thinking I am flawless. I am likely more flawed than most here and become more aware of it every day....

 

[Tonymac]

Now for the anthropologists view, im not sure if you are impying that their view is correct or just offering an alternative opinion. I certainly know that personally I like some songs, I hate others and there's loads of music that I find just OK. No corporations manipulate my taste in music though.

Hell no!

I agree with you. I think anthropologists are idiots and their arguments are almost always fundamentally flawed in my eyes. I was just commenting. When i had classes in the anthropology building at FAU I used to come in early just to mess with one class in particular. It started b/c i heard the professor rallying on about how corporations and branding are these evil things looking to turn us all into mindless sheep and how people need to be aware blah blah...meanwhile mf was drinking starbucks, had a mac in front of him, ipone, was wearing a north face jacket, and prada glasses. I called him a hypocrite (nicely) and was asked to leave by the students in the class who worshiped him (not so nicely). I hate modern hippies.

 

[JiujitsuDrift]

Haha, I dont listen to country very often but most country artists honor people who do an honest days work and pride themselves on raising their children right. Funny how listening to country can get you branded as a redneck and in some small-minded people's heads even as a racist.

Yet many of the people who listen to country music are some of the only decent human beings left in this country.

So why don't you explain the point of this song to me as you see it, I mean this seriously. I personally dont see any tough decision between helping family in need versus flaunting some expensive car...

Auntie's kidney = right thing

Bentley = other people envy you

In a moral persons mind it's not even a question. Besides he made his money selling drugs, at least he could turn it around and make something good come of it

You have some over inflated sense of what is right and wrong in this world. Right and wrong are words. Relevant only to those who wish it to be. I'm not labeling you anything. But it seems you are not a fan of this artist work, and therefor have not taken the time to fully understand his song. I will not explain anything to you. That is for you to do for yourself. Even if I did explain it somewhat, I'm sure you would still not understand as you do not understand what it's like to live there life. I'm sure Jeezy thinks country music is "lyrical feces" as well, because he is unaware of there lifestyle. All I'm saying is eyes need to be opened wider and mouths need to shut tighter. As for "the kids" and your brother, it is not Jay-Z's fault. Emenim is not responsible for your kids beating up the teacher. DMX did not tell your kids to rob a liqour store. IT'S YOUR FUCKING FAULT. Parents need to pay attention to there kids, not sit them in front of the tv for 3 or 4 hours while they get drunk and party.


PS. I would go threw country songs and try to nit pick all the horrible lyrics that mirror Jeezys in "indecency", but I feel you understand my point, as I understand yours.

 

[Tonymac]

I don't understand your point. The lyrics are paradoxical, that's sean's point. If you disagree, he's saying he'd like you to explain how.

 

[Sean Love]

You have some over inflated sense of what is right and wrong in this world. Right and wrong are words. Relevant only to those who wish it to be. I'm not labeling you anything.

But it seems you are not a fan of this artist work, and therefor have not taken the time to fully understand his song. I will not explain anything to you. That is for you to do for yourself. Even if I did explain it somewhat, I'm sure you would still not understand as you do not understand what it's like to live there life.

So you're essentially saying I'm wrong shortly after declaring that right and wrong are merely words and only relative ideas???

I think this is a cornerstone of what is wrong with our society. We have become so accepting of everyones ideas that it is almost un-PC to declare that there is a true RIGHT and WRONG based simply on accepted norms.

While you might not appreciate my decisiveness on this issue, I will contend that there IS a RIGHT and WRONG, and that it is determined by whether one is doing harm to others; not just physical, but emotional and behavioral harm as well.

I suppose the argument of relative morality can be used within social classes and conversely, such moral differences are often what distinguishes social classes. I believe this is why it is very difficult to govern diverse societies such as ours.

I don't really want to get into a racial discussion but I will say that it's peculiar that segregation is frowned upon, yet left to their own, races and classes of people will generally segregate themselves anyway, and each would likely prefer leaders from their own communities.

I'm sure Jeezy thinks country music is "lyrical feces" as well, because he is unaware of there lifestyle. All I'm saying is eyes need to be opened wider and mouths need to shut tighter.

It is my unalienable right under our constitution to comment on anything I like so long as I am not inciting hate.

As for "the kids" and your brother, it is not Jay-Z's fault. Emenim is not responsible for your kids beating up the teacher. DMX did not tell your kids to rob a liqour store. IT'S YOUR FUCKING FAULT.

Firstly, I dont not have any children, and while I am inclined to agree with you if you are saying 'it's the parents fault', it must be appreciated that parents these days have little control of the media their children are exposed to daily. The only way to completely shield your children from what you deem undesirable is to remove them from school, restrict TV viewing, not give them a modern phone, and many more steps that will exclude them from any chance of experiencing a 'normal' social life among their peers (making the absurd assumption their peers would dare befriend such a child)

PS. I would go threw country songs and try to nit pick all the horrible lyrics that mirror Jeezys in "indecency", but I feel you understand my point, as I understand yours.

I think you will have a hard time finding many mainstream country lyrics that depict such violence, depravity, irresponsibility and disrespect for others. I invite you to do so though.

I don't understand your point because you are not making one. You are attempting to, but fumbling because to make a point requires substance. This is about morality, not about justification for a hard life.

I have had many hardships in my life and also a number of things most would agree were fortunate. I am sure if I ever became a criminal I would dwell on the hardships as my justification, that is how the criminal mind works; few criminals actually feel they are bad people, they blame circumstance.

While I understand the deterministic view, I feel that morality is a choice. A choice based on awareness and sympathy to the well being of others

The music I am referring to is a cop-out, an excuse, an attempted justification for an immoral life. Simple as that.

 

[gsracer]

So you're essentially saying I'm wrong shortly after declaring that right and wrong are merely words and only relative ideas???

I think this is a cornerstone of what is wrong with our society. We have become so accepting of everyones ideas that it is almost un-PC to declare that there is a true RIGHT and WRONG based simply on accepted norms.

This

While you might not appreciate my decisiveness on this issue, I will contend that there IS a RIGHT and WRONG, and that it is determined by whether one is doing harm to others; not just physical, but emotional and behavioral harm as well.

and this

yet left to their own, races and classes of people will generally segregate themselves anyway, and each would likely prefer leaders from their own communities.

plus this

I think you will have a hard time finding many mainstream country lyrics that depict such violence, depravity, irresponsibility and disrespect for others. I invite you to do so though.

and this

few criminals actually feel they are bad people, they blame circumstance.

equals this

the bottom line

 

[Piner]

So you're essentially saying I'm wrong shortly after declaring that right and wrong are merely words and only relative ideas???

........

The music I am referring to is a cop-out, an excuse, an attempted justification for an immoral life. Simple as that.

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