Quick question about MB Weapons
- Thread starter KoukiBass14oon
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so that's pretty cool, he's build a car for himself that he's letting you drive...
gotta remember that when my son is old enough, "okay kid, i bought the car, and you're gonna have pizza cutter tires and you're going to like it! if you want to cry i'll give you something to cry about!"
kelsey, tell him 9/9.5's are wider and will give you more traction to avoid... umm, and further unfortunate incidences... that you'd be able to manuver the car better without the understeer HIS wheels are going to give you, and that you'd be more prone to sliding off the road just daily driving cause of said understeer
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here's my 9.5, with like a +18 offset...
the wheel is slightly turned to the left, so it makes it look like it's sticking out more than it is...
i WISH i had more tire... hell, with a roll, and a bit of camber, i could prob fit 245/255s up there and not be too too mexi flush... have good wheel/tire/fender fitment too....
hell that's at like 1.5ish camber too, if i ran a better 2.0/2.5 it'd be perfect with a wider tire... not too "mexi-flush" which i'm sure is what you're dad is trying to avoid...
gotta remember that when my son is old enough, "okay kid, i bought the car, and you're gonna have pizza cutter tires and you're going to like it! if you want to cry i'll give you something to cry about!"
kelsey, tell him 9/9.5's are wider and will give you more traction to avoid... umm, and further unfortunate incidences... that you'd be able to manuver the car better without the understeer HIS wheels are going to give you, and that you'd be more prone to sliding off the road just daily driving cause of said understeer
...here's my 9.5, with like a +18 offset...
the wheel is slightly turned to the left, so it makes it look like it's sticking out more than it is...
i WISH i had more tire... hell, with a roll, and a bit of camber, i could prob fit 245/255s up there and not be too too mexi flush... have good wheel/tire/fender fitment too....
hell that's at like 1.5ish camber too, if i ran a better 2.0/2.5 it'd be perfect with a wider tire... not too "mexi-flush" which i'm sure is what you're dad is trying to avoid...
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KoukiBass14oon
Driver
Look, I'm trying to make my car better. Yea, its not going to be perfect, and its being set up with my dad's preferences, but if that means I will get to go out and drive then so be it. Maybe after I start driving and if I get him out there we can adjust what we have and go from there, but until then, I'm trying to get something put together under my dad's approval because thats the only way its going to happen. He has more experience than you think. Back in the day it wasnt really called "drifting." Hes been building and driving cars for a long time. Hes helping me based on what he knows, and what he has read, and we're gunna go from there. We've been listening to what people have to say, but at the same time, sometimes you just have to go out there and learn for yourself. just like you said. I havent been driving long enough to have a perfect set up in my mind. I'm trying to find it.
I guess my point is, I just want to get out there and drive. I don't care if the car is perfect or not. you learn either way and right now, thats all i want to do. You telling me what you think your perfect personal set up is isnt going to help me.
oh, and marshall. your wheel still sticks out from your fender. It may look all sweet and awesome, but in my dads eyes, it looks like shit. So even though I want to go wider, its not going to happen.
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right. Your dad is a driving hero and used to secretly race F1 and actually sets up all of the top FD cars. My bad.
Let me lay it out here babe....If youre dad knew what he was doing, you wouldn't be talking about buying different width wheels, and he wouldnt be setting up a car from a book.
hows that grab ya?
KoukiBass14oon
Driver
Hes not setting up my car from a book. hes setting it up based on his experiences and using books, talking to people, and internet sources to help make it more "driftable"
I'm not saying my dad was a pro. but having experience with any car is better than none, which is what I have. If I set this up alone, what would I be going off of?
Yea, my dad wishes I got into muscle cars, which is more his "specialty," but hes doing his best to get his feet wet in this tuner car world and the only way to do that is get out there and try
oh, and not only that, but im probably not even going to be drifting on these wheels. I'm probably just going to be drifting on stock SEs. These wheels are just dailys
I'm not saying my dad was a pro. but having experience with any car is better than none, which is what I have. If I set this up alone, what would I be going off of?
Yea, my dad wishes I got into muscle cars, which is more his "specialty," but hes doing his best to get his feet wet in this tuner car world and the only way to do that is get out there and try
oh, and not only that, but im probably not even going to be drifting on these wheels. I'm probably just going to be drifting on stock SEs. These wheels are just dailys
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Devil Man
Spectator
dude weather or not you like it or not... and neither do i, this is what she has to do to be able to get her car out there on the track. if this is the means to the ends then so be it. her questions is will they clear the brakes... and no they wont she will need spacers end of story. now after she gets out there like you said she can make improvments on the car as they go.. is it a waste of money yes... should we care.. no...
cookie cutter
Spectator
^^lol...(wider is better)
thanks for the compliment, wasn't really going for that, what i was getting at is i have a shitty alignment up front, with wider tires, and more negative camber, my wheels would not stick out like that and be a perfect set up....
a staggared set up is NOT optimal for a "driftable" set up... i think he needs to get more sources than Import Tuner magazines and talk to some of the drivers who are actually at a pro-am level and up, that way he get's the info right from the source, and not some watered down info from people who THINK they know what they're doing...
NOT good for drifting... tell him that....
why waste the money "adjusting" THAT much, when you can get the basics down now, and have it ready for later, with just alignment/tire stuff to work out? doesn't make sense....
we're just trying to help her out of the box, i know her personally (although we've had our differences), and she DOES want to drift, and take it to higher levels... she IS also restricted by her dad, as much as that blows ass, he needs to know the basics from people who know the advanced shit... so we're trying to help her...
but fuck it, if they got money to throw away on throwing parts at it to figure out what works, and completely ignore what they NEED... then well, it's on them....
final note, kelsey, you need to tell your dad he needs to review his ideas on a "drift car"... a hard parked drift car with mad tyte camber, and super low offsets, fender flares etc, is NOT a drift car... it can be drifted, but it's not what SHOULD be out there... look at all the pro cars... they don'e have any of that shit.. hell, a lot don't even have wide bodies...
those wheels will not clear the brakes, tell your dad to go back to the drawing board with his fitment/wheel ideas...
KoukiBass14oon
Driver
Did you all not read the part where i said that I wasn't going to be drifting on these wheels? I convinced him to go 9s in the back for when I put my SR in there. We're trying to find decent wheels to daily drive on. Jeez people. you are rediculous. And marshall, like i said before, I know staggered wheels aren't good for drifting.
Oh, and I'm not just considering Weapons anymore because I was going to get a deal on them before, but plans changed. So I'm back to the drawing board. but even with different wheels, There is going to be the same issue.
Oh, and I'm not just considering Weapons anymore because I was going to get a deal on them before, but plans changed. So I'm back to the drawing board. but even with different wheels, There is going to be the same issue.
well i meant like super wide bodies and shit like that man lol... ^ sexy ass Zenki tho!!
i was thinking more of gittens car... stuff like that... not some "show boat" drift car, but a purpose built unit...
i was thinking more of gittens car... stuff like that... not some "show boat" drift car, but a purpose built unit...
Devil Man
Spectator
again not her money.. dad says he wants something done this way.. weather it be wrong its gonna be done that way.. then after the fact he can spend some more and get the wrong things corrected.
again i agree with you and i know that she agrees with us.. but again its the old mans money and he is getting what he thinks is right.
now your starting to get it.
like i said earlier they wont.. thats why i said go lower offset with the wheels but he doesnt want them, cause he is under the impresion that they will be sticking out of the car. now like i told her she should just order the rear set throw them on the front and show him... look they fit just fine. if not.. she will need spacers for sure and if they arent the bolt on type then she will need extended studs.. as i would put atleast 10mm if not 15mm spacers and thats far to much on the stock studs
you guys are trying to tell her stuff which she agrees upon but her father doesnt? they just need to try this fail and then get the correct things after the fact... they can still just use these wheels as drift spares when it doesnt work out.
and kelsey, you WILL end up drifting them... SE's suck ass... you'll at least use the fronts for traction... i know i'm not the best or most exp'd driver by any means, but MB's are cheaper wheels, and are very fitting drift wheels... i know i'll retire my rotas to track duty one day, and i'm glad they'll be proper size/fitment then, as well as now...
KoukiBass14oon
Driver
The fronts will stay on. SEs will be put on back for drifting till i work shit out. My dad mainly wants me to have a wider wheel up front when I drift with a nice tire on it to help steering. so think of it this way.. 8 in front. 6.5 in the back.. its gunna look shitty. but itll get me out there.
jtmroczk
Driver
Props to the old man for putting his time and money into this with you.
Dan was running a 17x8 at +10 with spacers and staying well inside the wheel well.
http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/nissan-builds-projects/536641-s14-reconstruction-56k-no-post6206349.html#post6206349
There is always the zilvia thread to dig through for for something similar.
zilvia.net/ maximum tire rubber fitment thread
Dan was running a 17x8 at +10 with spacers and staying well inside the wheel well.
http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/nissan-builds-projects/536641-s14-reconstruction-56k-no-post6206349.html#post6206349
The wheels fit fine in the outer fenders. But I was constantly smacking the inner fender well when I was up in the mountains and I've have it happen a few times goofing off. The car is low enough that if the wheel is turned and I hit a bump mid corner it slams. And that was with my 17x8+10's with a 235-40. I'll be using a 17x9+15 or +0 with a 245 or 255-40 tire.
I could solve this issue by raising the car but I like where its at.
You can see in this picture with the amount of camber gain under compression that it would easily hit the fender well in a corner. And thats with the wheel hardly turned in.
There is always the zilvia thread to dig through for for something similar.
zilvia.net/ maximum tire rubber fitment thread
Dans car.... fucking sweet!!
KoukiBass14oon
Driver
Thank for the actually useful info