i use a steering wheel.
Steering set up for drifting;
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Elliot G
Spectator
its not that they dont like it, its the gearing in them.
Wow I hadn't really looked at to many pics at the tires close to full lock mod-ed doesn't look natural lol... Unless you mod the power rack to run without power you should have it hooked up and running. I hope my seals haven't busted out cause imma get the parts to run it with power ( hi-pressure line, return line, belt) when I got it was missing those dumb guy before me thought it was cool to have both the p/s n a/c non functional.
I have a manual rack because my car came with one, I learned to drive with it, and for the most part I like it. If I had a gay 240 I'd leave the powersteering. Taking off the powersteering seems real dumb. I could see if some 240s came with manual steering, but they all came with power for a reason. Adding caster on a 240 for drifting is equally as dumb. Look at y'alls tires leaning over on the sidewall all gay.
PowerSteering FTW
Adding caster will only make the steering wheel want to center itself and will make the car hard to turn in because now the car lifts up.
When you look at a picture of yourself drifting and your like "Why the hell does my car have positive camber?" its the positive caster at work..
Making the leading front tire to go positive and trailing tire to go negative when drifting or counter steering
If your car has 0 caster the steering wheel won't center itself
So the general idea for drifting is adding more caster makes the steering wheel spin back faster...
"When you turn the steering wheel, the front wheels respond by turning on a pivot attached to the suspension system. Caster is the angle of this steering pivot, measured in degrees, when viewed from the side of the vehicle. If the top of the pivot is leaning toward the rear of the car, then the caster is positive, if it is leaning toward the front, it is negative. If the caster is out of adjustment, it can cause problems in straight line tracking. If the caster is different from side to side, the vehicle will pull to the side with the less positive caster. If the caster is equal but too negative, the steering will be light and the vehicle will wander and be difficult to keep in a straight line. If the caster is equal but too positive, the steering will be heavy and the steering wheel may kick when you hit a bump. Caster has little affect on tire wear."
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Adding caster will only make the steering wheel want to center itself and will make the car hard to turn in because now the car lifts up.
no sir caster is angle of the strut from top to bottom... increasing pivot angle will cause the wheel to lift up the car when turning and too much will also cause the car to ride on side wall of the tire.
When you look at a picture of yourself drifting and your like "Why the hell does my car have positive camber?" its the positive caster at work..
Making the leading front tire to go positive and trailing tire to go negative when drifting or counter steering
If your car has 0 caster the steering wheel won't center itself
So the general idea for drifting is adding more caster makes the steering wheel spin back faster...
"When you turn the steering wheel, the front wheels respond by turning on a pivot attached to the suspension system. Caster is the angle of this steering pivot, measured in degrees, when viewed from the side of the vehicle. If the top of the pivot is leaning toward the rear of the car, then the caster is positive, if it is leaning toward the front, it is negative. If the caster is out of adjustment, it can cause problems in straight line tracking. If the caster is different from side to side, the vehicle will pull to the side with the less positive caster. If the caster is equal but too negative, the steering will be light and the vehicle will wander and be difficult to keep in a straight line. If the caster is equal but too positive, the steering will be heavy and the steering wheel may kick when you hit a bump. Caster has little affect on tire wear."
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hows yous gonsta bees inta racecarz drivin and not noes about teh suspeenshuns?
boxmod
Driver
scary isnt it? just means as i learn more, im gonna get even better haha.
right now my caster is set so i have clearance on front and rear of my turning radius.
make more space in your wells. then decrease your caster.
Jerm and Shappa are totally right, funny cause i was just reading over all this info last night as I am figuring out my suspension setup. I always heard that + caster is good, nonono not really...
After your car is stiff, its all about contact patch and slip angles.
so the fact that the person i referenced is Leading two different PRO-AM series in points with a no P/S s14 with 9 degrees(I think thats what he said) of caster doesn't make you think its possible to still be a good setup.
Like i said before on this forum. don't remove your powersteering it sucks for drifting to not have it.....and then i find out also that one of my Students at NorCal Drift Academy isn't running P/S in his S13 and is doing the best in the class.
So thats two stories of killing it without P/S in an S-chassis in one day.
Like i said before on this forum. don't remove your powersteering it sucks for drifting to not have it.....and then i find out also that one of my Students at NorCal Drift Academy isn't running P/S in his S13 and is doing the best in the class.
So thats two stories of killing it without P/S in an S-chassis in one day.
I didn't say there is anything wrong with positive caster.
It works good to make the steering wheel spin back to center.
Just my experience with E30s with no power-steering sucks.
9 degrees of caster is fine if you like wearing out the sidewall of your tires. I think it probably really only effects high angle situations, and if you have your car set up for a lot of rear grip then the front might get a little wishy washy feeling.
One of the biggest mistakes people make suspension wise is setting their car up like a road race car. When in reality drifting is probably more like dirt track racing or rally.
If you change the king pin inclination angle you can add caster and it wont make the tire lean over nearly as much. The tire lean is more of a function of KPI but more caster exacerbates the effect.
If you have a set of coilovers like D-Max or garage tune that have the slotted lower bracket for more negative camber that also changes your KPI so that when you turn your wheels you get a flatter contact patch at full lock.
If you have a set of coilovers like D-Max or garage tune that have the slotted lower bracket for more negative camber that also changes your KPI so that when you turn your wheels you get a flatter contact patch at full lock.
None, you send them to me and I'll make them perfect
I guess most people are applying this thread to a 240sx, but its impossible to give universal setup advice. Also those guys probably have stock steering ratios.
I could share what Ive done on my car but it wouldnt help anyone else really and it suits my driving feel and preference. I would never want manual steering on anything except a superlight balanced car, or a mid-engined car. Anything over 1000kg with the motor in front should have power steering.
On my car I need it because my steering ratio is 150% of OEM
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AlexTheGreat00
Driver
From what I understand, caster allows the front wheels to self-steer into a slide more easily, but increases steering effort (especially without power-steering). When you add negative camber to the extra caster, it allows the car to turn in quicker and rotate more easily. As far as the perfect alignment for the best front contact patches at all steering angles... well, I guess your alignment settings should depend on how your knuckles were modded.
DragnArowGarage
Driver
I think having a good suspension set-up is cool and all. But when it comes down to it, its you the driver, that makes the car work and do what you want it to do. If you can't get your car to do what you want it to do and you have all your "suspensions" then I'd just stop drifting. ^ my 2 pesos