The Homestead/FARA & The Drifitng Issue in South Florida

IneedBoost said:
well im going overfenders and some other shit cars getting paint and the kit not some bullshit ugly m4 kit is almost a done deal so we'll see where it goes from there now that i kinda proved myself worthy of tandeming i can only improve from here but the one truth to all of this is that you have to pay to play
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control urself!!! talkin about my kit like that!!!!:cool:
 
ok I'ma come in since I personally have travelled more than maybe any other FL driver on my own dime I think. Suck it up about the money issue guys. There are trade offs. Stop buying dildo shift knobs and fucking nardi steering wheels. Anyone take a look inside my car lately? STOCK wheel, STOCK shifter, STOCK dash, NO gauges (stocks broke when building car), NOTHING except required seat and harness. This isnt because its not somethings I want, its because I'd rather use that $60 to get to or into an event rather than have the coolest steering wheel.

Make sacrifices. You all talk a lot about this and that money and don't look for ways to take short cuts. Talk to shops, lots of them, find a guy that will help you on mount costs. find a used tire place that will help you on costs for that, tell them you are constantly buying used tires. Hell, even paint... you can spray paint a whole car if you take your time, and use enough coats. it can loook decent for 20$.

if you want to drive more you can find a way. if you cant find a way, you just dont want it bad enough or your situation is really bad. in the second case start working on how to better things. none of us who are looked up to got here by spending $20. Anyone that was mentioned in previous posts has spent a MINIMUM of $10,000 I guarantee. Car/travel/tires/hotels/entrys etc... Some of us that have been going longer and have trucks/trailers and all that shit are into it for EASY 25K+ so don't wine about your money please, its insulting to hear about how you cant afford a drift event because you need gas money to get home. I know it happens, but that shouldnt be a reason IN THIS THREAD.

To get FL drifting back into the RIGHT focus we need a few things.
#1 The tracks/organizers need to work together to stop having 3 events the same weekend. Share the drifting community around the state and give areas a break in between. Its no wonder we see 30 people at events when next weekend there is a totally different 30, and a 2nd track has another 30. If we stopped running 4 events a month, and consolidated them into 2 max in the STATE, we would see many more attend and full driver list = happy track owners.

#2 make crowds happy. TANDEM makes crowds skeet, we need more tandem. Means you guys need to sacrifice and get bolt in cages! from event side it helps if you allow rides-a-longs. raffle ride-a-longs to the crowd with 'demo' drivers. or sell them straight up? Make sure the drivers providing the opportunity get a cut of the money, because without them, crowd gets no rides and they dont get that 'extra draw in'.

#3 PRE-REGISTER ONLY. if you want to drive, pay up before game day. this allows for people to actually commit and not puss out day of. and helps the venue see potential disaster before its too late. if you dont pre-reg, you dont drive. you show up past the meeting, you dont drive. Learn to not be a damn high schooler if you want to be treated like a 'driver'. Tracks are professional environments that have spent lots of money to build the facilities. This isnt a skate park yo, take time out of your busy morning to actually show up on time. its a matter of RESPECT to the event and other drivers. events need to have a drivers meeting, a real one. TIGHTEN up our amatuers professionalism. TELL them how the day will run, what the course is, what is NOT ALLOWED, and what they need to do to be ready. Make it short but informative.

#4 stop fkking waiting until the DAY OF or BEFORE an event to FIX YOUR CARS! I don't know why drifters are so damn LAZY. Get tires a week before, get your new stud in the damn hub (it takes 30 min?) Stop showing up to an event and having to open a damn car garage just to make it to the track and then missing runs/wanting to jump in other run groups. Simple shit like EMPTY YOUR BACKSEAT. I swear we are the most pathetic group of drivers. No other state have I ever seen people leave a helmet/jack/mcDonalds flying around the car.

#5 stop worrying about what you can't do. too many people are trying to 'skip' the learning steps and just jump into high speed or high HP cars just to get attention and they end up not progressing or never getting build done. start simple and get good, then upgrade. You have PLENTY of time to get recognized when its your turn, don't trying to worry about right now, worry about building a REAL foundation.

so in summary....
1/stop wasting money on shit that you dont have to have, then complain about no money.
2/make crowds happy from an event organizer pov. and stop conflicting the schedule so much.
3/tighten up the respect and professionalism in FL.
4/fix you DAMN CAR before the event gets here.
5/stop trying to be mr.2cool4skool

Don't get me wrong, FL has a lot of positives, but as a whole, the community is the ones responsible for the scene. If I was an organizer and saw the lack of professionalism at events, I'd never have another drift event. You can show up on time, with a working car, with the ability to listen to rules AND HAVE FUN... trust me.

Moe- as for your direct question... competition would work but you need more time I think to really do a competition. If you are just doing a mini-comp then its ok but with real comp style... practice/qual/tandem... its a LOT of time needed. at the demos do you guys announce anything to interest the crowd? introduce drivers BEFORE the demo/ allow them to do burnouts/donuts/windmills to get the crowd pumped? word of mouth is the cheapest and easiest advertising, just gotta get people telling their friends. See if you can work it to give spectators rides/raffle them/sell them, insurance issues i know, but see about it with proper gear- maybe fara has a firesuit they can 'lend' for use and a helmet? Just a thought.


GL ya'll, we need to fix this up.
 
Jason that response might just be what get ppl focused on what this site is truly about. There is too much distraction on here with childish shit and not enough focus on drifting!!
Jesus our threads are all filled with nothing but CRAP. I can not resort to this site to look up anything suspension related that is actually informative and helpful.
 
Jason is so right on so many points

Especially with the specatator part I mean even at countyline it was the end of the day everyone was leaving and walking away and tim said me and jackson can do some rodeos and burnouts so we did and as we started doing it everyone who was leaving came running back with video cameras out and cell phones. THEY LOVE STUFF THAT LOOKS CRAZY. Even though to us its just normal you have to look at it that way
 
boxmod said:
at the demos do you guys announce anything to interest the crowd? introduce drivers BEFORE the demo/ allow them to do burnouts/donuts/windmills to get the crowd pumped? word of mouth is the cheapest and easiest advertising, just gotta get people telling their friends. See if you can work it to give spectators rides/raffle them/sell them, insurance issues i know, but see about it with proper gear- maybe fara has a firesuit they can 'lend' for use and a helmet? Just a thought.
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Of the five pages so far this is by the best idea. From a spectator perspective its boring and you dont really know whats going on.
 
boxmod said:
ok I'ma come in since I personally have travelled more than maybe any other FL driver on my own dime I think. Suck it up about the money issue guys. There are trade offs. Stop buying dildo shift knobs and fucking nardi steering wheels. Anyone take a look inside my car lately? STOCK wheel, STOCK shifter, STOCK dash, NO gauges (stocks broke when building car), NOTHING except required seat and harness. This isnt because its not somethings I want, its because I'd rather use that $60 to get to or into an event rather than have the coolest steering wheel.

Make sacrifices. You all talk a lot about this and that money and don't look for ways to take short cuts. Talk to shops, lots of them, find a guy that will help you on mount costs. find a used tire place that will help you on costs for that, tell them you are constantly buying used tires. Hell, even paint... you can spray paint a whole car if you take your time, and use enough coats. it can loook decent for 20$.

if you want to drive more you can find a way. if you cant find a way, you just dont want it bad enough or your situation is really bad. in the second case start working on how to better things. none of us who are looked up to got here by spending $20. Anyone that was mentioned in previous posts has spent a MINIMUM of $10,000 I guarantee. Car/travel/tires/hotels/entrys etc... Some of us that have been going longer and have trucks/trailers and all that shit are into it for EASY 25K+ so don't wine about your money please, its insulting to hear about how you cant afford a drift event because you need gas money to get home. I know it happens, but that shouldnt be a reason IN THIS THREAD.

To get FL drifting back into the RIGHT focus we need a few things.
#1 The tracks/organizers need to work together to stop having 3 events the same weekend. Share the drifting community around the state and give areas a break in between. Its no wonder we see 30 people at events when next weekend there is a totally different 30, and a 2nd track has another 30. If we stopped running 4 events a month, and consolidated them into 2 max in the STATE, we would see many more attend and full driver list = happy track owners.

#2 make crowds happy. TANDEM makes crowds skeet, we need more tandem. Means you guys need to sacrifice and get bolt in cages! from event side it helps if you allow rides-a-longs. raffle ride-a-longs to the crowd with 'demo' drivers. or sell them straight up? Make sure the drivers providing the opportunity get a cut of the money, because without them, crowd gets no rides and they dont get that 'extra draw in'.

#3 PRE-REGISTER ONLY. if you want to drive, pay up before game day. this allows for people to actually commit and not puss out day of. and helps the venue see potential disaster before its too late. if you dont pre-reg, you dont drive. you show up past the meeting, you dont drive. Learn to not be a damn high schooler if you want to be treated like a 'driver'. Tracks are professional environments that have spent lots of money to build the facilities. This isnt a skate park yo, take time out of your busy morning to actually show up on time. its a matter of RESPECT to the event and other drivers. events need to have a drivers meeting, a real one. TIGHTEN up our amatuers professionalism. TELL them how the day will run, what the course is, what is NOT ALLOWED, and what they need to do to be ready. Make it short but informative.

#4 stop fkking waiting until the DAY OF or BEFORE an event to FIX YOUR CARS! I don't know why drifters are so damn LAZY. Get tires a week before, get your new stud in the damn hub (it takes 30 min?) Stop showing up to an event and having to open a damn car garage just to make it to the track and then missing runs/wanting to jump in other run groups. Simple shit like EMPTY YOUR BACKSEAT. I swear we are the most pathetic group of drivers. No other state have I ever seen people leave a helmet/jack/mcDonalds flying around the car.

#5 stop worrying about what you can't do. too many people are trying to 'skip' the learning steps and just jump into high speed or high HP cars just to get attention and they end up not progressing or never getting build done. start simple and get good, then upgrade. You have PLENTY of time to get recognized when its your turn, don't trying to worry about right now, worry about building a REAL foundation.

so in summary....
1/stop wasting money on shit that you dont have to have, then complain about no money.
2/make crowds happy from an event organizer pov. and stop conflicting the schedule so much.
3/tighten up the respect and professionalism in FL.
4/fix you DAMN CAR before the event gets here.
5/stop trying to be mr.2cool4skool

Don't get me wrong, FL has a lot of positives, but as a whole, the community is the ones responsible for the scene. If I was an organizer and saw the lack of professionalism at events, I'd never have another drift event. You can show up on time, with a working car, with the ability to listen to rules AND HAVE FUN... trust me.

Moe- as for your direct question... competition would work but you need more time I think to really do a competition. If you are just doing a mini-comp then its ok but with real comp style... practice/qual/tandem... its a LOT of time needed. at the demos do you guys announce anything to interest the crowd? introduce drivers BEFORE the demo/ allow them to do burnouts/donuts/windmills to get the crowd pumped? word of mouth is the cheapest and easiest advertising, just gotta get people telling their friends. See if you can work it to give spectators rides/raffle them/sell them, insurance issues i know, but see about it with proper gear- maybe fara has a firesuit they can 'lend' for use and a helmet? Just a thought.


GL ya'll, we need to fix this up.
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Jason for fucking President.
 
gsracer said:
Of the five pages so far this is by the best idea. From a spectator perspective its boring and you dont really know whats going on.
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is a great idea in conjunction with this ones!

#2 make crowds happy. TANDEM makes crowds skeet, we need more tandem. Means you guys need to sacrifice and get bolt in cages! from event side it helps if you allow rides-a-longs. raffle ride-a-longs to the crowd with 'demo' drivers. or sell them straight up? Make sure the drivers providing the opportunity get a cut of the money, because without them, crowd gets no rides and they dont get that 'extra draw in'.

#3 PRE-REGISTER ONLY. if you want to drive, pay up before game day. this allows for people to actually commit and not puss out day of. and helps the venue see potential disaster before its too late. if you dont pre-reg, you dont drive. you show up past the meeting, you dont drive. Learn to not be a damn high schooler if you want to be treated like a 'driver'. Tracks are professional environments that have spent lots of money to build the facilities. This isnt a skate park yo, take time out of your busy morning to actually show up on time. its a matter of RESPECT to the event and other drivers. events need to have a drivers meeting, a real one. TIGHTEN up our amatuers professionalism. TELL them how the day will run, what the course is, what is NOT ALLOWED, and what they need to do to be ready. Make it short but informative.
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i think box ideas are far greater and easier to achive than any other one!..
 
Florida drifters need to start acting more professional no more whining and crying about dumb shit. Like jason said with the drivers meeting. There's too much childish shit going on like someone else said. Tim and moe need to get a lot more strict on the drivers meeting more like everyone shut the fuck up and listen this is what's going to happen. I've been at plenty of drivers meetings where most of it is, is getting sidetracked with jokes and other people interrupting with jokes. Yeah we are all out there to have fun and all but save it for later you wouldn't go into a big meeting say with a east coast manager and interrupt with jokes or have little side conversations. I mean some people really want to hear what the event organizer has to say. I know jackson is working with some people trying to get us another place to drift like the few casinos around here but the thing is they look at us like a joke because no one acts like its something they want to be serious about. So like I said we as a whole community need to straighten up our act and for the people who drift as a hobby that's fine and good but don't ruin it for the others that want to turn this into something more then a weekend thing. And like dangle said no one wants to see some shitty looking car slide around. Personally if I wanted to see that I would go to a demolition derby. Time to get rid of the flat black and get something nice.
 
I know my points may be invalid as I had never drifted an event before and I have only spectated 2 events.

I did attend the skid pad event yesterday and yes, it was fun. However I did see some unorganization and if I saw it for my 1st time at skid pad event, imagine what others might think if they were spectating to possibly allow everyone to throw an event at their venue.

I know everyone is trying real hard to get FL on the map but like it has been said 1000x before, people need to commit to shit and stop complaining about money. Ive seen it plenty of times people saying they cant make it. 90% of the people here have KA's, how much fucking gas do you really need to make it to an event? $10-$15 for gas from WPB? you dont need a full tank to slide on. I know there are other expenses to take into account too, the gas thing was just an example.


Also like Jason (Boxmod) has stated, alot of it is for the spectators, I completely agree with the burnout, donut, figure 8, etc idea. People like lots of tire smoke and random showing off. It gets everyone pumped up for whats coming.

Announcers are a must too.... I watched a video of the last fara event and all I heard was shitty music most of the time. Or when there is an announcer all I hear is "Oh here comes so-n-so in his S13, TURN THE WHEEL, HIT THE GAS!!!". We need people that has driver and car info on a little spec sheet so that when drivers are up, they can announce little bits of facts about everyone. That would make the crowd more involved. That way when people leave they can be like "Oh man, did you see that Jerry guy with the v8 240 from Miami" or "Jason with that SR s13 hatch was pretty sick with it! Maybe he has more youtube vids I can look up". SHit like that

I will try my hardest to help support the drifting community in FL. I plan on signing up to skid pad events to learn my car etc. Right now I know I will NOT sign up to any events until my car is in the shape I want it to be in for an event. Im not going to go to an event with subpar brakes, shitty bushings, an open diff and no spare parts just in case something breaks.


Sorry if my post seems like a bunch of tossed together shit, but I figured I would chime in even if I am a lesser known person on the board. Im just trying to let you guys know how I see things.
 
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You got it right man don't be afraid to voice your opinion as you said it is a spectator based Motorsport and you being a spectator(soon to be driver) have the most impact on what goes down. All your points are valid. I agree with the announcing thing. D1 did it when they came here and people went banana's over it. Like say on a Countyline big track event with the second left you bring out the driver introduce him whatever he waves and shit as he drives by comes by where all the spectator's are sitting and does some donuts and shit gets the people hyped and then have all the driver's line up in front and then announce each one or something along those lines. For those of you who attended the D1 Miami event know what the hell I am talking about. Thats probably one of the best ideas. That can also apply to FARA events but I don't know how game they are for letting someone from the drift aspect control the microphone since FARA is more of a Family based venue and they wouldn't want anyone of us slipping up and swearing all over the mic and pissing off parents and children.
 
We need someone who speaks Japanese to be in the background of whoever is announcing shouting out some random awesome sounding shit. I said it before, it's the difference between an english and a spanish soccer broadcast.


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This is America not Japan.

That's like a bunch of people speaking Spanish around crackers like me. We don't understand what is being said so we take it offensive.

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Ofc. Dangle said:
That can also apply to FARA events but I don't know how game they are for letting someone from the drift aspect control the microphone since FARA is more of a Family based venue and they wouldn't want anyone of us slipping up and swearing all over the mic and pissing off parents and children.
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This is where OUR professionalism needs to increase.
 
Homestead probably wont allow any of these things, after all, "your not supposed to dirt drop" at homestead, i mean with these parameters shows the things they are worried about.

Im actually surprised they didnt give me shit about blowing the tire and leaving pieces of tire and fiberglass all over the track lol.

But they are good ideas.
 
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