The Homestead/FARA & The Drifitng Issue in South Florida

[Moe@240SXWarehouse]

yeah big events arent east coast, but a lot of pro am stuff works out here... NC, NJ, GA, Florida could be soon to follow suit... just saying, we have the venues just have to open their minds...

If we don't take action now.. We may never see that

 

[bottlefedka]

moe put me down for the next drift demo you can count on my support. and if anybody need a tow ill personally get them down there and provide full track support to that person.

 

[Moe@240SXWarehouse]

Yeah but most of the good driver's down and struggling with money building their cars for bigger and better things. The problem we are having down here is that there are no events that will get you noticed to run a Pro series because nobody really cares about the East Coast. 95% of events take place on the West Coast so in order to make events to get noticed people are saving money to go to events in an attempt to get noticed. Cash prizes may work but it would have to be a big enough prize to cover driving to the event and covering tires and no venue is going to be able to come up with a lump sum to cover that.

EDIT: For instance Megan threw an event in Cali and the majority of the Pro Am guys went because first place won 5k. That is enough money to cover running a few events over there. No Florida venue can cover that price because we don't have enough driver's to register and pay a cover fee for that.

2nd EDIT: As much as I don't like to say it Moe you should have a non refundable cover fee to slide Homestead. I think at this point the track speaks for itself and maybe after a few events you could have a nice cash prize of like 1,000 dollars or so. That for sure will get people to attend that event and make for the best Demo ever.

I'm going to implement an idea. Ask each driver that wants to slide FARA a $100.00 deposit that will be refunded after the event is over.

Thats all fine and dandy but at the end of the Pro Am series you still need to attend Irwindale to place.




Thats the wrong mentality we need to worry about what the West Coast is doing because obviously they are doing something right to have 95% FD series over there.

This is true.. We shouldn't have to worry about what the West Coast or other states are doing. We got to deal with our own and improve.

Improvement and dedication are the key for the Florida drifters to succeed and be noticed

take into account weather and tracks . Florida maybe called the sunshine state but we do get a hell of alot of rain. As far as competitive tracks go all we really have is pbir, homestead, and osw.

Weather doesn't stop drifters form attending events. Track regulations stop them before they go out for safety and regulation purposes

More track support and payouts. More drivers will make the effort to drive if they are compensated someway, maybe even just trophies. In turn they will be able to buy more parts and improve. Practices are boring. Obviously everyone needs it but that's what countyline events are, just practice. Even that mini comp was exciting because it was something different.

Yes.. Thank you Eliot

Where have you been moe, drifting has and always will be a fad. The sooner you come to terms with that the better.

Just like pogs remember pogs those were cool.

The day I give up on the idea and believe in your mentality.. I'll swap a VH45 into a foxbody!!!

You guys roll together all the fucking time. Maybe its not a team name but you guys roll together. Its the same basic principle.

Compare SIDE-RUN to Team Orange.. Compare Chris Jackson and his helpers is not a TEAM.. SIDE-RUN is a group of guys that role together to event and slide all kinds of tracks. I follow them all the time.. It never fails to see how much dedication Bert and Finkelstein show every time they go to Homestead.

You are completely right about the look the car should have. I have said so myself, but if you think that FARA is too small of an event and we should wait for someone to bring a big event then you are completely wrong. When the big event organizers want to do something they look at demographics, they look to see what type of following there is so that they can make money. FARA might not be the dream stage, but it is a stage nonetheless. You put a good enough performance then all those bullshit cell phone pictures and youtube videos get people interested and the following grows. We have good photographers and videographers they should be out there capturing and editing the bejesus out of these events.

All you said equals to how much money they can make out of each event.

We have good photographers. Not saying its the media guys fault because it isn't. The pictures don't do an event justice. Yeah it looks cool to have you tearing shit up as your background on your computer. But people want to see video of the driver's anyone can look good in a photo doesn't show your skill level at all. Video's make the exposure. I for one get bored quickly looking at photo's and I think it would be safe to say that there are a lot more people that get bored looking at them too. Roly and Guy are trying to do the video thing but FARA doesn't seem very media friendly so it will be hard to capture anything good at that venue.

A Local news channel will help a lot.. And by the way GUY and Roly know my number and with enough time can request a media pass.. I haven't seen Roly at Homestead since the first event I held... Jose San Luis is also a good photographer

What level is needed to have your car looks nice. I just went over the fact it is inexcusable for 240 owners to have a flat black piece of shit looking car when its so cheap and easy to make them look nice.

It would be nice but again it comes to this. Even if Roly and Guy get to do something at Fara there are cars that look like shit and nobody wants to see a shitty car in a video. Drifting is the only sport that your style reflects you. Its not like you build a bad ass circuit car and win a race and your driving ability separates you from the rest of the driver's. Your driving ability is only part of what people look at in drifting.

He's a amateur and no PRO-AM status that's all he's saying. As time progresses his skill will get better and so will the car.

To get FL drifting back into the RIGHT focus we need a few things.
#1 The tracks/organizers need to work together to stop having 3 events the same weekend. Share the drifting community around the state and give areas a break in between. Its no wonder we see 30 people at events when next weekend there is a totally different 30, and a 2nd track has another 30. If we stopped running 4 events a month, and consolidated them into 2 max in the STATE, we would see many more attend and full driver list = happy track owners.

This is very true.. I'm going to start getting in contact with Jen, Tim and others to look at the schedule so we don't have a schedule conflicts. That way we don't slide Desoto when we have Homestead the following weekendd

#2 make crowds happy. TANDEM makes crowds skeet, we need more tandem. Means you guys need to sacrifice and get bolt in cages! from event side it helps if you allow rides-a-longs. raffle ride-a-longs to the crowd with 'demo' drivers. or sell them straight up? Make sure the drivers providing the opportunity get a cut of the money, because without them, crowd gets no rides and they dont get that 'extra draw in'.


Can't do that in Homestead because even If I wanted to a have a person next to you as a co-pilot I have to have that person in the same requirement as the driver.


#3 PRE-REGISTER ONLY. if you want to drive, pay up before game day. this allows for people to actually commit and not puss out day of. and helps the venue see potential disaster before its too late. if you dont pre-reg, you dont drive. you show up past the meeting, you dont drive. Learn to not be a damn high schooler if you want to be treated like a 'driver'. Tracks are professional environments that have spent lots of money to build the facilities. This isnt a skate park yo, take time out of your busy morning to actually show up on time. its a matter of RESPECT to the event and other drivers. events need to have a drivers meeting, a real one. TIGHTEN up our amatuers professionalism. TELL them how the day will run, what the course is, what is NOT ALLOWED, and what they need to do to be ready. Make it short but informative.


Will Apply this Rule for the DEMO's a $100.00 deposit for the driver(s) that wants to slide Homestead and meet all requirements and after the event will receive their deposit back

#4 stop fkking waiting until the DAY OF or BEFORE an event to FIX YOUR CARS! I don't know why drifters are so damn LAZY. Get tires a week before, get your new stud in the damn hub (it takes 30 min?) Stop showing up to an event and having to open a damn car garage just to make it to the track and then missing runs/wanting to jump in other run groups. Simple shit like EMPTY YOUR BACKSEAT. I swear we are the most pathetic group of drivers. No other state have I ever seen people leave a helmet/jack/mcDonalds flying around the car.


I see this happen all the time and you can't imagine what little stupid problems come up on the track.


so in summary....
1/stop wasting money on shit that you dont have to have, then complain about no money.
2/make crowds happy from an event organizer pov. and stop conflicting the schedule so much.
3/tighten up the respect and professionalism in FL.
4/fix you DAMN CAR before the event gets here.
5/stop trying to be mr.2cool4skool

We hope people are reading every single post to see if I'm blowing things out of proportion to make people see how much is needed to be done before FLORIDA starts to get noticed

Don't get me wrong, FL has a lot of positives, but as a whole, the community is the ones responsible for the scene. If I was an organizer and saw the lack of professionalism at events, I'd never have another drift event. You can show up on time, with a working car, with the ability to listen to rules AND HAVE FUN... trust me.

lol at this...I felt like this sometimes

Moe- as for your direct question... competition would work but you need more time I think to really do a competition. If you are just doing a mini-comp then its ok but with real comp style... practice/qual/tandem... its a LOT of time needed. at the demos do you guys announce anything to interest the crowd? introduce drivers BEFORE the demo/ allow them to do burnouts/donuts/windmills to get the crowd pumped? word of mouth is the cheapest and easiest advertising, just gotta get people telling their friends. See if you can work it to give spectators rides/raffle them/sell them, insurance issues i know, but see about it with proper gear- maybe fara has a firesuit they can 'lend' for use and a helmet? Just a thought.


GL ya'll, we need to fix this up.[/QUOTE]

Mini comp is not what I want to work with. A full day of drifting with RC drifting and entertainment. Kinda like D1 but without their style of tech inspection (You guys know what I mean by that).

When I think of Drifting announcers in Florida one name comes to mind ROB FLEMING!!!

 

[boxmod]

A Local news channel will help a lot.

Offer a ride-a-long for him if you can get homestead to allow for a quick promo shoot one night. not only will they jump at the chance and promo the event, but he will be all pumped up and talk more about it and make it sound even better than just looking at it.

ride-a-longs are as good IF NOT BETTER than money im telling you. I suggested this to the event guy in Aruba and he implemented randomly pulling around 20 spectators to do rides with us. then when we were leaving there was a security check lady who said "Hey! One of you gave a ride to my daughter the other night!!"

thats shit people can only experience once in a lifetime and they would love for the chance.

i had a lady ask me to take her husband for a ride at a demo (I wasn't allowed to select passengers though, they had selected VIPs already) but she said "I dont care how much, its his birthday and he would love it! how much?!?!"... shit I coulda said $100+ I bet.


use this tool moe.

 

[Moe@240SXWarehouse]

Jason that response might just be what get ppl focused on what this site is truly about. There is too much distraction on here with childish shit and not enough focus on drifting!!
Jesus our threads are all filled with nothing but CRAP. I can not resort to this site to look up anything suspension related that is actually informative and helpful.

Technical sections and write-ups need to be re-shaped

I know my points may be invalid as I had never drifted an event before and I have only spectated 2 events.

I did attend the skid pad event yesterday and yes, it was fun. However I did see some unorganization and if I saw it for my 1st time at skid pad event, imagine what others might think if they were spectating to possibly allow everyone to throw an event at their venue.

I know everyone is trying real hard to get FL on the map but like it has been said 1000x before, people need to commit to shit and stop complaining about money. Ive seen it plenty of times people saying they cant make it. 90% of the people here have KA's, how much fucking gas do you really need to make it to an event? $10-$15 for gas from WPB? you dont need a full tank to slide on. I know there are other expenses to take into account too, the gas thing was just an example.


Also like Jason (Boxmod) has stated, alot of it is for the spectators, I completely agree with the burnout, donut, figure 8, etc idea. People like lots of tire smoke and random showing off. It gets everyone pumped up for whats coming.

Announcers are a must too.... I watched a video of the last fara event and all I heard was shitty music most of the time. Or when there is an announcer all I hear is "Oh here comes so-n-so in his S13, TURN THE WHEEL, HIT THE GAS!!!". We need people that has driver and car info on a little spec sheet so that when drivers are up, they can announce little bits of facts about everyone. That would make the crowd more involved. That way when people leave they can be like "Oh man, did you see that Jerry guy with the v8 240 from Miami" or "Jason with that SR s13 hatch was pretty sick with it! Maybe he has more youtube vids I can look up". SHit like that

I will try my hardest to help support the drifting community in FL. I plan on signing up to skid pad events to learn my car etc. Right now I know I will NOT sign up to any events until my car is in the shape I want it to be in for an event. Im not going to go to an event with subpar brakes, shitty bushings, an open diff and no spare parts just in case something breaks.


Sorry if my post seems like a bunch of tossed together shit, but I figured I would chime in even if I am a lesser known person on the board. Im just trying to let you guys know how I see things.

Wow I'm pretty impressed with your post. Thank you

You got it right man don't be afraid to voice your opinion as you said it is a spectator based Motorsport and you being a spectator(soon to be driver) have the most impact on what goes down. All your points are valid. I agree with the announcing thing. D1 did it when they came here and people went banana's over it. Like say on a Countyline big track event with the second left you bring out the driver introduce him whatever he waves and shit as he drives by comes by where all the spectator's are sitting and does some donuts and shit gets the people hyped and then have all the driver's line up in front and then announce each one or something along those lines. For those of you who attended the D1 Miami event know what the hell I am talking about. Thats probably one of the best ideas. That can also apply to FARA events but I don't know how game they are for letting someone from the drift aspect control the microphone since FARA is more of a Family based venue and they wouldn't want anyone of us slipping up and swearing all over the mic and pissing off parents and children.

If I find a announcer I will take that mic and make him use it.. Believe me that mic will be put to use.

Homestead probably wont allow any of these things, after all, "your not supposed to dirt drop" at homestead, i mean with these parameters shows the things they are worried about.

Im actually surprised they didnt give me shit about blowing the tire and leaving pieces of tire and fiberglass all over the track lol.

But they are good ideas.

Did you hear how several drivers entered the parade and started drifting in the parade lap. Then the event organizers stop by and with a smile on their faces told you guys to hopefully not to do it again.. Well they didn't treat me the same way. Your thing wasn't a huge deal but surprisingly no one complained

If we had a demo of about 15-20 of the best drifters FL has to offer with serious tandems and crazy shit, Homestead will be all over it. I think if we show them how we can get competitive, they will shit their pants. We need to show close tandems with the lead driver trying to hold the following driver off, and the following driver is trying to get his nose in. Make it a real fight for victory. A little rubbing wont kill anyone. Spectators love that. It's exciting. Can't be reckless either, but show that we have a competive fire in us.

Couldn't agree with you more...

 

[billyblaze]

I agree in everything boxmod said How is anybody going to respect the sport in florida when Mose of the drivers don't respect it. I never been to an event thats tru and this is why
They need to promote it better Like when a driver preregister send them some free tickets or flyers to get the word out. And when I use to race I was never late cause if i was I couldn't race and if I didn't show up to the riders meeting I didn't get to ride either.
professionalism is the key factor If everyone acted like professionals and not whinning their would be more people at the events cause believe me you someone will here you whine like a baby about the sport and be like "why do I want to see a bunch of kids"

I am sorry if seems like I am just rambling but its just crazy how in florida the sport is as small as it is. It should be 10x bigger atleast Wished I was a promoter cause it be very close to what boxmod said.

Plus A few of my own ideas

 

[Mr. Steef]

Compare SIDE-RUN to Team Orange.. Compare Chris Jackson and his helpers is not a TEAM.. SIDE-RUN is a group of guys that role together to event and slide all kinds of tracks. I follow them all the time.. It never fails to see how much dedication Bert and Finkelstein show every time they go to Homestead.

I mean i guess you can call me and Chris a team just not with the name Jackson performance that is his business i help out around the shop when i can and i get lift time in exchange and some discounts so i see it more like a sponsor. But we do have a team in the works. Summer 2010 is going to get serious for me, and i am dead serious

 

[Ofc. Dangle]

I'm going to implement an idea. Ask each driver that wants to slide FARA a $100.00 deposit that will be refunded after the event is over[/COLOR]



This is true.. We shouldn't have to worry about what the West Coast or other states are doing. We got to deal with our own and improve.

Improvement and dedication are the key for the Florida drifters to succeed and be noticed


Compare SIDE-RUN to Team Orange.. Compare Chris Jackson and his helpers is not a TEAM.. SIDE-RUN is a group of guys that role together to event and slide all kinds of tracks. I follow them all the time.. It never fails to see how much dedication Bert and Finkelstein show every time they go to Homestead.



A Local news channel will help a lot.. And by the way GUY and Roly know my number and with enough time can request a media pass.. I haven't seen Roly at Homestead since the first event I held... Jose San Luis is also a good photographer


To get FL drifting back into the RIGHT focus we need a few things.
#1 The tracks/organizers need to work together to stop having 3 events the same weekend. Share the drifting community around the state and give areas a break in between. Its no wonder we see 30 people at events when next weekend there is a totally different 30, and a 2nd track has another 30. If we stopped running 4 events a month, and consolidated them into 2 max in the STATE, we would see many more attend and full driver list = happy track owners.

This is very true.. I'm going to start getting in contact with Jen, Tim and others to look at the schedule so we don't have a schedule conflicts. That way we don't slide Desoto when we have Homestead the following weekendd

#2 make crowds happy. TANDEM makes crowds skeet, we need more tandem. Means you guys need to sacrifice and get bolt in cages! from event side it helps if you allow rides-a-longs. raffle ride-a-longs to the crowd with 'demo' drivers. or sell them straight up? Make sure the drivers providing the opportunity get a cut of the money, because without them, crowd gets no rides and they dont get that 'extra draw in'.


Can't do that in Homestead because even If I wanted to a have a person next to you as a co-pilot I have to have that person in the same requirement as the driver.


#3 PRE-REGISTER ONLY. if you want to drive, pay up before game day. this allows for people to actually commit and not puss out day of. and helps the venue see potential disaster before its too late. if you dont pre-reg, you dont drive. you show up past the meeting, you dont drive. Learn to not be a damn high schooler if you want to be treated like a 'driver'. Tracks are professional environments that have spent lots of money to build the facilities. This isnt a skate park yo, take time out of your busy morning to actually show up on time. its a matter of RESPECT to the event and other drivers. events need to have a drivers meeting, a real one. TIGHTEN up our amatuers professionalism. TELL them how the day will run, what the course is, what is NOT ALLOWED, and what they need to do to be ready. Make it short but informative.


Will Apply this Rule for the DEMO's a $100.00 deposit for the driver(s) that wants to slide Homestead and meet all requirements and after the event will receive their deposit back

#4 stop fkking waiting until the DAY OF or BEFORE an event to FIX YOUR CARS! I don't know why drifters are so damn LAZY. Get tires a week before, get your new stud in the damn hub (it takes 30 min?) Stop showing up to an event and having to open a damn car garage just to make it to the track and then missing runs/wanting to jump in other run groups. Simple shit like EMPTY YOUR BACKSEAT. I swear we are the most pathetic group of drivers. No other state have I ever seen people leave a helmet/jack/mcDonalds flying around the car.


I see this happen all the time and you can't imagine what little stupid problems come up on the track.


so in summary....
1/stop wasting money on shit that you dont have to have, then complain about no money.
2/make crowds happy from an event organizer pov. and stop conflicting the schedule so much.
3/tighten up the respect and professionalism in FL.
4/fix you DAMN CAR before the event gets here.
5/stop trying to be mr.2cool4skool

We hope people are reading every single post to see if I'm blowing things out of proportion to make people see how much is needed to be done before FLORIDA starts to get noticed

Don't get me wrong, FL has a lot of positives, but as a whole, the community is the ones responsible for the scene. If I was an organizer and saw the lack of professionalism at events, I'd never have another drift event. You can show up on time, with a working car, with the ability to listen to rules AND HAVE FUN... trust me.

lol at this...I felt like this sometimes

Moe- as for your direct question... competition would work but you need more time I think to really do a competition. If you are just doing a mini-comp then its ok but with real comp style... practice/qual/tandem... its a LOT of time needed. at the demos do you guys announce anything to interest the crowd? introduce drivers BEFORE the demo/ allow them to do burnouts/donuts/windmills to get the crowd pumped? word of mouth is the cheapest and easiest advertising, just gotta get people telling their friends. See if you can work it to give spectators rides/raffle them/sell them, insurance issues i know, but see about it with proper gear- maybe fara has a firesuit they can 'lend' for use and a helmet? Just a thought.


GL ya'll, we need to fix this up.

Mini comp is not what I want to work with. A full day of drifting with RC drifting and entertainment. Kinda like D1 but without their style of tech inspection (You guys know what I mean by that).

When I think of Drifting announcers in Florida one name comes to mind ROB FLEMING!!!

-100 dollar idea is an awesome idea.

-In one post you say we shouldn't worry about what the West Coast is doing further down you want to compare Homestead events to D1. D1 has been around forever and the culture is completely different and I know you know all this. Why compare the events to D1 and not Cali when Cali is from the US and huge and D1 is way overseas. You can at least talk to event organizer's in Cali and see what they do and what they don't do because obviously they did something right.

-Side-Run, Jackson Performance. SMDG, etc. none of those Teams can even be compared to Team Orange they are 100% pro level they have their own track basically. All these teams are grassroot's level teams you can't expect them to be anything like Team Orange.

-The news Channel idea is awesome but at the same time kids or young adults don't really watch the news so in order for the whole news idea to work we would really need to clean up our act first because was normal tax paying adult wants to see a bunch of kids running around driving like crazy people.

-Events held on different days would be awesome because there are plenty events that the South Florida guys would run if there weren't events locally.

-Boxmod was spot on with everything he said.

 

[Moe@240SXWarehouse]

Put down a deposit for the Homestead demos pay a fee if you show up you get your money back if not save for cash prize in the future just thought it might help the drivers have more reason to show and a quick simple mod to get things moving in the right direction.

I see more people saying the same thing so now I feel like I'm alone on this Thanx Chris!!!

^ FDC was executed just fine IMO. it was the lack of drivers that killed it.

I don't agree that there needs to be 'something in it for the drivers' at a practice level event. Practice is just that practice. You are paying them for the safe venue, ems on standby, and no fear of cops. That IS your kickback. No offense but its REALLY insulting that those of us that have put in years and years of time working on the driving, venues, and the scene, have 'fresh drivers' come in and expect to get paid to drive. There is no autox, or road racing practices were a venue lets them in free LET ALONE pays them to come drive. Our generation is getting hit by bad economy but doesn't mean the venue owes anything to you.

payouts/prizes are good idea IF the drivers understand that means several things:
#1 drivers have to pay EXTRA entry.... its a GAMBLE to win. You can't goto a Casino with $1 and seriously want to walk out with $100. **HELL some of us PAID $350 ENTRY FEE (plus few hundred in fuel) to drive Road Atlanta for last years ProAm.... you might know that I got 2nd.... my prize? a $8 bottle of champagne and a plastic trophy.

#2 if you want to keep entry down and prizes still available, we have to get sponsors/attract them with a better event image. no one is going to donate a $500 prize for an event that looks like its a bunch of kids driving silly in a parking lot. This doesn't mean that we cant make a parking lot event.... just make it respectable and somewhere that a company would like to be promoting/advertising at.

#3 if its going to be a comp it really NEEDS to be tandem to get crowd into it and really... tandem teaches drivers and improves skills. We lack so much in tandem practice that its a BIG reason we have trouble getting better. You will never know how slow/fast you are and how good your lines are without real tandem experience. this means that people in FL need to step up and get some cages.... bolt in/weld in whatever. step up.


it still boils down to image. we need to clean it up and get it respectable if you want things to come back to the drivers. look at the Just Drift series in Cali. high(er) entry fee, respectable tracks and events, tandem and they have real decent series sponsors. its not that hard in theory, but execution takes a LOT of work.

Hopefully by now everyone can start to see the big picture.. It goes beyond the looks of the car and the amount of drivers and the talent....

thank god we have countyline.

lol no comment... and yes I support countyline events.. Ask 90% of the amateur drivers that go there and see if my face is not one to be remembered

box what i meant by kickback to the drivers was not intended for the practice events. its for the bigger events. practice events are just that, practice events. and i agree with everything else you said, you know what would be a great idea. have a meeting. just a simple meeting, have guys like jason, juan, estie, j-lowe, dan chilton stand up and talk to the rest of us. it may seem like a childish but you would surprised how a serious talk about the sport and getting on the ball can get people motivated. hell ill help get it organized. a meeting like that will A)give everyone a serious insight as to what REALLY goes into this sport, because alot of people do not know. and B) based on how many people show up, will show how many people are really serious about this sport. just a idea, but i think it could work

Good idea I will work on this. It will be a interesting experience

i got an idea everybody stop bitching stuff a tampax in your ass and get to an event.
club racing is a very very expensive hobby in every form from karting to scca .your probrably better off with a drug addiction than a car addiction ,we all know this we all wanna do this! the only way these events will continue to grow is if you attend events weather its to drive or facinate.
im by far not rich but i do events every other week .mostly club racing i dont drift fara because i havent been invited ive asked to drift my car meets and exceeds all the requirements but for some reason it doesnt happen.

personally i love drifting but have stepped back from the scene because frankly i dont feel the unity in any sort that i feel attending a track day when im sitting in the stands at drift events all i hear is people hating because some underpowered noobie couldnt connect.

its practice hater shut the fuck up! your sittin in the stands hes blowing his mc donalds paycheck on his passion show a little respect!

ehhh this whole post blows my point is if your a driver shut up and drive
if you just love to watch get out there and watch show some support everybody is broke
we know .if you cant afford to drift dont stop crying about it!
and for those on a pedistal open your mind a little bit maybe thant person isnt killing it and consistent because he doesnt wanna destroy his car to impress the haters in the grandstand maybe hes just out having fun .give a noob a chance stop hating.
perfect example ive never stood at an event that wasnt a competition i get in my fun and save the car for another day @ $50 bucks a drift event you should be kissing balls that you got 5-10 runs because at a big event your spending a minimum of 500.00 for 1 event and that doesnt include the logistics include that and i bet your at 1000.00

+1 Jaime I will let you slide Homestead April 17th Get ready!!!!

moe put me down for the next drift demo you can count on my support. and if anybody need a tow ill personally get them down there and provide full track support to that person.

Thank you Jaime

Offer a ride-a-long for him if you can get homestead to allow for a quick promo shoot one night. not only will they jump at the chance and promo the event, but he will be all pumped up and talk more about it and make it sound even better than just looking at it.

ride-a-longs are as good IF NOT BETTER than money im telling you. I suggested this to the event guy in Aruba and he implemented randomly pulling around 20 spectators to do rides with us. then when we were leaving there was a security check lady who said "Hey! One of you gave a ride to my daughter the other night!!"

thats shit people can only experience once in a lifetime and they would love for the chance.

i had a lady ask me to take her husband for a ride at a demo (I wasn't allowed to select passengers though, they had selected VIPs already) but she said "I dont care how much, its his birthday and he would love it! how much?!?!"... shit I coulda said $100+ I bet.


use this tool moe.

Good Idea Jason.. I've been trying to get the President of FARA for a ride along and tis time I'm gonna be pushy!!!

I mean i guess you can call me and Chris a team just not with the name Jackson performance that is his business i help out around the shop when i can and i get lift time in exchange and some discounts so i see it more like a sponsor. But we do have a team in the works. Summer 2010 is going to get serious for me, and i am dead serious

I wish you and Jackson good luck and hope for the best outcome

-100 dollar idea is an awesome idea.

-In one post you say we shouldn't worry about what the West Coast is doing further down you want to compare Homestead events to D1. D1 has been around forever and the culture is completely different and I know you know all this. Why compare the events to D1 and not Cali when Cali is from the US and huge and D1 is way overseas. You can at least talk to event organizer's in Cali and see what they do and what they don't do because obviously they did something right.

-Side-Run, Jackson Performance. SMDG, etc. none of those Teams can even be compared to Team Orange they are 100% pro level they have their own track basically. All these teams are grassroot's level teams you can't expect them to be anything like Team Orange.

-The news Channel idea is awesome but at the same time kids or young adults don't really watch the news so in order for the whole news idea to work we would really need to clean up our act first because was normal tax paying adult wants to see a bunch of kids running around driving like crazy people.

-Events held on different days would be awesome because there are plenty events that the South Florida guys would run if there weren't events locally.

-Boxmod was spot on with everything he said.

Again good point Shawn..

 

[boxmod]

DAngle, when you say about having a co-polit having to have same requirements.... like seat/harness/suit/helmet? yea thats what i figured, near the bottom i said maybe fara dan donate the suit/helmet for the day for the promotion. some of us will have to run 2 seats soon w/harnesses if we want to be FD spec now-a-days

 

[madkingsucw]

I was in my car the other day and i heard a radio ad for county-line come on what was surprising to me was i didn't hear anything about drift events none at all they talked about everything else not even a date for a drift event not sure why? if you want so media exposure how bout the radio?? every1 and there mother still listen to radio. Get the DJ to come and ride along and maybe they can give you some pointers on how to draw crowds to events and they can even be the announcer if need be.

I am also a noob at this drift thing dont even have a rwd yea i plan on buying some janky ass s13(as some of you guys put it haha) i not gunna worry about how my car looks got to have the skills 1st. But i do agree on the look b/c when i watch vids like the 1 with the white FD rx7 all the clean looking cars stood out to me more.

From the post i have read (all 8 pages so far lol) seems like you guys wanna start heading in a new direction i suggest you all meet some where in the middle for every to come out there and start discussing and voting on what direction to go

I am looking forward to going to my 1st county-line event and watching how you guys do your thing i hope i can be of use with my ideas at least and i cant wait to be apart and see how things turn out for the hopefully NEW SFL DRIFT :bigthumbu

my useless 2 cents lol

 

[KumA]

Make sacrifices. You all talk a lot about this and that money and don't look for ways to take short cuts. Talk to shops, lots of them, find a guy that will help you on mount costs. find a used tire place that will help you on costs for that, tell them you are constantly buying used tires. Hell, even paint... you can spray paint a whole car if you take your time, and use enough coats. it can loook decent for 20$.

if you want to drive more you can find a way. if you cant find a way, you just dont want it bad enough or your situation is really bad. in the second case start working on how to better things. none of us who are looked up to got here by spending $20. Anyone that was mentioned in previous posts has spent a MINIMUM of $10,000 I guarantee. Car/travel/tires/hotels/entrys etc... Some of us that have been going longer and have trucks/trailers and all that shit are into it for EASY 25K+ so don't wine about your money please, its insulting to hear about how you cant afford a drift event because you need gas money to get home. I know it happens, but that shouldnt be a reason IN THIS THREAD.

#3 PRE-REGISTER ONLY. if you want to drive, pay up before game day. this allows for people to actually commit and not puss out day of. and helps the venue see potential disaster before its too late. if you dont pre-reg, you dont drive. you show up past the meeting, you dont drive. Learn to not be a damn high schooler if you want to be treated like a 'driver'. Tracks are professional environments that have spent lots of money to build the facilities. This isnt a skate park yo, take time out of your busy morning to actually show up on time. its a matter of RESPECT to the event and other drivers. events need to have a drivers meeting, a real one. TIGHTEN up our amatuers professionalism. TELL them how the day will run, what the course is, what is NOT ALLOWED, and what they need to do to be ready. Make it short but informative.

#4 stop fkking waiting until the DAY OF or BEFORE an event to FIX YOUR CARS! I don't know why drifters are so damn LAZY. Get tires a week before, get your new stud in the damn hub (it takes 30 min?) Stop showing up to an event and having to open a damn car garage just to make it to the track and then missing runs/wanting to jump in other run groups. Simple shit like EMPTY YOUR BACKSEAT. I swear we are the most pathetic group of drivers. No other state have I ever seen people leave a helmet/jack/mcDonalds flying around the car.

Says the guy that has promised Moe a load of times that he is going to FARA and never goes. You may think that I have something against you and that isn't the case, but reading your post made me laugh. Why? Because you are the prime example to what you wrote. BTW you and others that have and will keep on flaking on Moe are the reason this thread is posted, so before you say people that some are posting on here shouldn't post take a step back and analyze that for a second. Moe takes it in the ass for all you guys and gives you the privilege to slide at FARA, and goes out his way to call people because there "GOOD" friends to see if they can help him out just one time every 2/3 months for a couple of hours and you can't come through because you shit on Moe and it doesn't matter. Then Moe homie reanalyze your friends for a second and start eliminating them because its not worth it espeically off of something soo stupid.

 

[boxmod]

Says the guy that has promised Moe a load of times that he is going to FARA and never goes. You may think that I have something against you and that isn't the case, but reading your post made me laugh. Why? Because you are the prime example to what you wrote. BTW you and others that have and will keep on flaking on Moe are the reason this thread is posted, so before you say people that some are posting on here shouldn't post take a step back and analyze that for a second. Moe takes it in the ass for all you guys and gives you the privilege to slide at FARA, and goes out his way to call people because there "GOOD" friends to see if they can help him out just one time every 2/3 months for a couple of hours and you can't come through because you shit on Moe and it doesn't matter. Then Moe homie reanalyze your friends for a second and start eliminating them because its not worth it espeically off of something soo stupid.

I dont know what you mean that I am the prime example of what I wrote... do I show up late? with a broken car? mis-drivers meetings? have random garbage in the car on track? tell me what you are talking about?

too bad you dont know the whole story about me and FARA.

first off, i only ONCE told him I was for sure able to make it and then a wrecked a week before a desoto> and it was bad enough I havent driven SINCE and am having to get a WHOLE NEW FKKING SHELL. every other time I told him I would try but I wasnt sure about my budget. And I'd always get screwed and didnt have the money for the trip down south at that time. KEEP IN MIND, I haven't ever left moe hanging till the DAY OF to know if I was coming or not. KEEP IN MIND that I had qualified to goto ProAm Finals and wanted to make the $1000+ trip to Arizona, KEEP IN MIND, i did over 20 events last year ALONE. This free track time demo is great but when I'm trying to make my pro bid for FD, I can't always justify spending $250 to travel there and back when I need $1,000 to run the ProAm finals just to be eligible for the 2010 season for FD. I ALSO had a SEMA trip I had to pay for (nearly $1000) so go think about that for a second.

Guess what, I also hit $0 in my bank account december, the 3rd day after xmas. I have IMAGE of a well funded person maybe but I struggle harder than you or anyone else can IMAGINE to do what I do. Shit man, soon as I get some money in bank (fighting my debt) last fall, truck batteries both take a shit $200 byebye just to drive my DAILY DIESEL around that GULPS fuel like a whale eating trainers at SeaWorld.

I really do want to drive these events, but I'm not local either. I appreciate the invites and have had every intention of attending when I can afford it. I even tried to have Moe store the car in Miami after D1 (a $350$ entry fee + $100 for hotel+ $200 in fuel + ?? food/drink) like he offered so I could do homestead the next weekend or one after (i dont recall which weekend it was), but when I tried to arrange it, I couldnt get in touch with him so I eventually went home.

Don't start telling me what I need to do please. I have been around a very long time (since before the FIRST EVER LEGAL FL DRIFTING EVENT) and am one of the ONLY people still in this sport as a driver, with his own car. I have enjoyed videos and magazines and drifting culture since I was 16 (2000) and in 2001 got my first 240. Street slid because it was all we had, and then in 2004 got serious when the first event happened and I did well. Since, I have dedicated nearly 6 years of my life entirely to this and only this; always putting the car first. I have spent over $30,000 and am in debt over $6,000 still. I didnt attack anyone directly in my post and you can't tell me I am incorrect on those points I made. And certainly dont tell me that I flake on anyone.

You might have said that you dont have an issue with me, but when someone challenges my dedication, passion, and love of the sport and the scene itself; its just the biggest slap in the face and I won't stand for that shit, not after all I do and continue to try to do for the FL community.

 

[Ofc. Dangle]

DAngle, when you say about having a co-polit having to have same requirements.... like seat/harness/suit/helmet? yea thats what i figured, near the bottom i said maybe fara dan donate the suit/helmet for the day for the promotion. some of us will have to run 2 seats soon w/harnesses if we want to be FD spec now-a-days

Well either way if the news casting crew wanted to do a ride along it would still look to the common public like we are a bunch of teenager's driving like idiots around a track. We need to create the race image before we can even consider bringing in a news crew to film/hype the events. Honestly the best thing Moe can do right now is contact a venue from Cali or some place that throws big events and see what they do and what they don't do to hype/promote the events. If there is a certain way they go about things to make the driver's want to come out and drive the events. Look at ASB(All Star Bash) they have people who are pro sponsored driver's coming out to drive an event to have fun. What did they do to get that kind of reputation. Maybe get in contact with the Federal guys who sponsor the event or event try and contact the driver's who attended the event. Honestly I am not on Cali's nuts or anything but they have set the bar as far as events go in the USA and maybe if we talk to them we can learn a thing or two. I know most of you guys hold resentment against them because they talk shit about how Florida is lame and our drift scene sucks but c'mon guys we need to hold our heads up and try and learn from them. Jason don't listen to what Bryant has to say I haven't seen you promise shit about coming to FARA events. Honestly if there is anyone that has stated they would come down for the events it would be the J. Lowe, Dan Chilton and Orlando crowd and they never once said they would be 100% coming to drive the event this is where the 100 dollar event attendance fee would come into play.

Maybe this doesn't make any sense at all but I am shit faced so who the fuck cares.

 

[coolandy007]

Let's not start calling people out, let's set something up. Either for the next FARA or for the next mini-comp or for whatever event is going on. Drivers get your things together and put on a good show. Media guys please come over and photograph and record and edit like it's nobodies business. Fanboys, get your foken money together and bring foken grandma if you can't find a date. Fill up the stands or the sidelines or whatever the foken place the event is. No excuses, no bullshit. Show your support to everyone and anyone helping the sport. This benefits everyone. It's a foken business when it comes down to it, and if drifting looks like it's not going to be profitable, then nobody is going to pay any attention to it.

 

[gsracer]

i got an idea everybody stop bitching stuff a tampax in your ass and get to an event

+1

im sitting in the stands at drift events all i hear is people hating because some underpowered noobie couldnt connect.

+2

its practice hater shut the fuck up! your sittin in the stands hes blowing his mc donalds paycheck on his passion show a little respect!


+3

if you cant afford to drift dont stop crying about it!

+4000


and for those on a pedistal open your mind a little bit maybe thant person isnt killing it and consistent because he doesnt wanna destroy his car to impress the haters in the grandstand maybe hes just out having fun

+50000000

all of these things, the attitude of some of the people in the stands at countyline is incredible. I was in the stands on sunday for the first time in a long time and 70 percent of wht i heard was hating.

 

[SKINNY D]

yep...i totally agree jerry. it can be disconcerting to hear for some too... it makes me laugh but to some can be a real shutdown!

 

[boxmod]

Well either way if the news casting crew wanted to do a ride along it would still look to the common public like we are a bunch of teenager's driving like idiots around a track. We need to create the race image before we can even consider bringing in a news crew to film/hype the events. Honestly the best thing Moe can do right now is contact a venue from Cali or some place that throws big events and see what they do and what they don't do to hype/promote the events. If there is a certain way they go about things to make the driver's want to come out and drive the events. Look at ASB(All Star Bash) they have people who are pro sponsored driver's coming out to drive an event to have fun. What did they do to get that kind of reputation. Maybe get in contact with the Federal guys who sponsor the event or event try and contact the driver's who attended the event. Honestly I am not on Cali's nuts or anything but they have set the bar as far as events go in the USA and maybe if we talk to them we can learn a thing or two. I know most of you guys hold resentment against them because they talk shit about how Florida is lame and our drift scene sucks but c'mon guys we need to hold our heads up and try and learn from them. Jason don't listen to what Bryant has to say I haven't seen you promise shit about coming to FARA events. Honestly if there is anyone that has stated they would come down for the events it would be the J. Lowe, Dan Chilton and Orlando crowd and they never once said they would be 100% coming to drive the event this is where the 100 dollar event attendance fee would come into play.

Maybe this doesn't make any sense at all but I am shit faced so who the fuck cares.

nah nah, you dont have to SHOW him on the ride maybe. You let him get a good intro shot of something. Then let him get some outside shots from 2 or 3 angles of the driver sliding the course. THEN you give him a ride, off camera, and THEN he can do his standing intro with the camera and voice-over the outside runs but his enthusiasm will be pumped and real because he knows what it was like in the car.

guy in aruba got a short 5-10 minute interview setup with us demo drivers on the radio LIVE. it was crazy talking into a mic on desk knowing that 1000's of people are hearing what I'm saying right there. But it also engages the listening audience to the actual people involved instead of 'a commercial' by a DJ. Commercials are good, but having the live air time would be awesome i think to get more attention and have people tell their friends, "yo did you hear that guy talk about how he is drifting his 400hp car at homestead this weekend? they said there was 6 guys going door to door last time, that sounds crazy badass".

that with the TV news crew promo should mean people might actually get excited for the drifting portion. Both ways you need to tell the time/cost/what else goes on at the event <<<< this last part means maybe FARA will help cover cost (if any) to get these promos done, after all- it is THEIR event.

 

[alibaba]

thats cuz most of the ppl in the stands haven't drifted a day in their lives, so they think its easy, the only experience they have is when they on on youtube and watch the D1 video with 100MPH entries, they think that if someones isn't drifting like DK they they suck.
atleast thats what ive seen at countyline

 

[greddy2die]

If you guys need help with stuff let me know, I know I am a lesser known member on the forum however I am trying to meet people and I would like to help out with things. I want people to recognize FL. We deserve it I know there is alot of talent down here but like everyone has said before, we need coverage and advertisement.

Someone mentioned above about a radio station, I think that would be a great idea if someone contacted a local radio station and talked to them about showing up at an event. In my opinion I think we would have a better chance getting a radio station to show up to an event then a news crew. I dont know about you guys, but I myself listen to the radio more then I actually watch the news and I think most of you guys would agree too.

My sister also works for Redbull but for Broward county, the do have a Redbull team that covers dade though. I can see what I can do about having a Redbull team show up and pass out free cans etc. Just to attract more people you know, ANYTHING helps. Doing nothing and just talking about it wont get anyone anywhere.

Again, anything I can do to help please let me know