Why E36 ownz you

$3000 for a stock 325is with no title is significantly more than a the $300 I paid for my s13. Its not hard to find cheap ass s13's with good titles. That money could go towards coilovers, bushings, and a few fancy sus parts with money left over to get the engine up to event par. And the 325is engine is worth about as much as a SOHC ka IMO. BMW replacement parts ARE more expensive as are their aftermarket parts. There's NO WAY a BMW is cheaper or even as close to as cheap. I've looked into it many times since that's the car I'd rather be driving. They are better in almost every way though, no arguement there.
 
dori dori said:
$3000 for a stock 325is with no title is significantly more than a the $300 I paid for my s13. Its not hard to find cheap ass s13's with good titles. That money could go towards coilovers, bushings, and a few fancy sus parts with money left over to get the engine up to event par. And the 325is engine is worth about as much as a SOHC ka IMO. BMW replacement parts ARE more expensive as are their aftermarket parts. There's NO WAY a BMW is cheaper or even as close to as cheap. I've looked into it many times since that's the car I'd rather be driving. They are better in almost every way though, no arguement there.
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What the fuck are you on?

1- I'm not selling the car with no title.

2- The M50 engine is better than any 4cyl engine Nissan has ever dreamed of making.

3- Your $300 car was a SOHC automatic base model piece of shit with dented quarter panels, brown interior, power nothing and built in 1988

4- The car I am selling is a 1994 sport model 5spd with full power everything, leather interior, sport clutch, great tires and it drives.

You and Mike should get married.
 
freethinker said:
What the fuck are you on?

1- I'm not selling the car with no title.

2- The M50 engine is better than any 4cyl engine Nissan has ever dreamed of making.

3- Your $300 car was a SOHC automatic base model piece of shit with dented quarter panels, brown interior, power nothing and built in 1988

4- The car I am selling is a 1994 sport model 5spd with full power everything, leather interior, sport clutch, great tires and it drives.

You and Mike should get married.
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OK, i see. You woke up in the wrong side of your warehouse this morning.

1 - Last I talked to you about that car (1.5 weeks ago), it had no title
2 - HA. Hahaha. Zealot much? And why compare a 6 to a 4.
3 - I had an engine swap already. DOHC KA's are practically free anyway. It had no dented 1/4 panels - you have a bad memory. The interior can be made black with ONE trip to a junkyard. Who wants power anything and who cares when it was built? Aren't we talking about drift cars and costs?
4 - I can get an s13 better suited for drifting with $3k than your E36. I could care less about leather or a "sport clutch" that you broke in by doing a burnout in front of your shop (idiot).

I'll never marry Mike - his hugs scare me as much as your "logic" does.
 
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freethinker said:
Hey Mike, this is why people hate you on the interweb, Try not to get banned on SFL as well...
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why? because i understand there are pros and CONS to everything versus everythign i beleive is unflawed? you keep stating its cheap, and im stating in real world scenario, compared to the s chassis (which you specifically compared yoru e36 to in comparison, stating it was as if not cheaper). if that truly bothers you then sorry? you wont catch me saying ls1 is the cheapest way to make power.

As far as the cars go, I sold my 1992 euro model 325is in 2001 for $4000. It had blown front shocks and a dent in the drivers quarter. It's 5 years later now, I'm sure you could get it significantly cheaper.
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hmm.. i think dented 1992 240sx's with blown shocks went for like ...free back in 2001.

I'm not wasting my time looking up anything, how about you prove that you CANT find $2,000 325's since you obviously have so much time to burn on the internet.
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with how much im online sure, your preaching cheapness like its fact, i thought you'd have no problem backing up your claims.

freethinker said:
What the fuck are you on?

1- I'm not selling the car with no title.

2- The M50 engine is better than any 4cyl engine Nissan has ever dreamed of making.

3- Your $300 car was a SOHC automatic base model piece of shit with dented quarter panels, brown interior, power nothing and built in 1988

4- The car I am selling is a 1994 sport model 5spd with full power everything, leather interior, sport clutch, great tires and it drives.

You and Mike should get married.
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soooo let me understand "free thinkers" free thinking ability.

someone disagrees with you, asks for references, you threaten to ban them, then someone else chimes in also in disagreement with you, to which you wish them bro rapage by mikespeed.

lighten up francis.
 
dori dori said:
$3000 for a stock 325is with no title is significantly more than a the $300 I paid for my s13. Its not hard to find cheap ass s13's with good titles. That money could go towards coilovers, bushings, and a few fancy sus parts with money left over to get the engine up to event par. And the 325is engine is worth about as much as a SOHC ka IMO. BMW replacement parts ARE more expensive as are their aftermarket parts. There's NO WAY a BMW is cheaper or even as close to as cheap. I've looked into it many times since that's the car I'd rather be driving. They are better in almost every way though, no arguement there.
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I have to disagree. You can make 250hp on a m50 pretty easly na. And lets not mention boost. the m50 loves to be boosted. On the engine comment i disagree that is all.
 
^ No you cant Guillermo. By pretty easily you mean bolt ons. Those bolt ons are M3 components and they COST. The cost/hp factor is waaaay too high in that case. Turbocharging is also an expensive option.
 
i just wanted to say while i disagree with some people, i still love everyone, adn i will always rather be cummin than strokin.

i think everyone agrees e36 are badass platform which they are.

but you cannot logically justify any type of argument from the perspective of them being a cheap platform. its a bmw. they arent plentiful in junkyards, and the parts are just a premium because they are bimmer.

also side note.

i want pizza rolls.
 
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but you cannot logically justify any type of argument from the perspective of them being a cheap platform. its a bmw. they arent plentiful in junkyards, and the parts are just a premium because they are bimmer.
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i'd say certainly not as plentiful as a 240, but still youll be able to find what youre looking for. you just may not have a hundred different cars to choose from
 
I still have failed to see more s14s than I have e36s in the junkyards. The only thing that s14s have over e36s is that they share more parts with their predecessors than the e36s do.
 
rwdrift said:
^ No you cant Guillermo. By pretty easily you mean bolt ons. Those bolt ons are M3 components and they COST. The cost/hp factor is waaaay too high in that case. Turbocharging is also an expensive option.
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i meant by swapping internals for some good high comp pistons and stroking it. Just trying to clarify. you dont have to spend 20k on a na m50 to hit 250hp. Will it cost sure. But it will be worth it. the m50 has 23986752467243087562349 times more potential than a sohc ka.
 
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For the same price you'd put on making an N/A M50 hit 250whp, someone gets an s14 SR. And when it comes down to it... it's a stock motor, more reliable than a highly modified motor. The more you push out of a motor, no matter with how much tuning, the more you remove off it's lifespan.
 
I've never seen a single e36 at a junkyard. I've only seen one s14. They are both uber junkyard rare IMO.

I wasn't saying the ka24e was better than the m50 - sorry it came out that way. The point i was trying to make was that, m50's are to e36's as ka24e's are to s-chassis's. I wouldn't waste my time with either.
 
I think you seriously underestimate M50s Anthony. Those motors have potential given the right amount of $. You guys would have to swap motors to get somewhere decent.... or put ridiculous amount of money into making a truck motor a decent motor.

BMWs put a lot of thought into their motors and they pull a lot more horses off their motors than Nissan did for the KA... and the KA sticked for a long time.. throughout all of the S chassis here in the US.
 
I have seen 3 E36's at atlantic auto salvage by Blue Heron blvd.

There is a black 4 door there right now.

If you count a Z3 as an E36 then I have seen 4 E36 at that yard.

I have seen 2 S14's at that yard


If you dont like the way I break in a clutch Anthony, go fuck yourself.
 
I'm not comparing to a KA. I would never compare an I6 to an I4 anyway. I've been a member on Bimmerforums since 2000 and have seen a lot of M50's make respectable power. I'm just saying, if I had an E36, I'd rather have a m52 (obviously).
 
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and the KA sticked for a long time.. throughout all of the S chassis here in the US.
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hmmm i dont remember the S12 coming with a KA? or the S110 or the S10..... ;)
 
rwdrift said:
For the same price you'd put on making an N/A M50 hit 250whp, someone gets an s14 SR. And when it comes down to it... it's a stock motor, more reliable than a highly modified motor. The more you push out of a motor, no matter with how much tuning, the more you remove off it's lifespan.
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QFT

m52 are nice. Only if they werent ob2 :(
 
So why is an M52 so much better than an M50? I don't know if anyone in this thread knows, but they are basically the same engine. 52 just designates the evolution of the engine design. As far as I remember it the 52 basically has a few things modified, mostly for OBD2. Air pump added, tubular headers instead of cast, etc etc.

The 2.8L M52 has forged crank, so does 30 and 3.2

2.5L M52 is virtually identical to the 2.5L M50, both cast cranks, both hold a LOT of power on stock everything with just a MLS gasket

The M50 engine has better intake manifold for top end power.. M52 has a more torque oriented manifold design. All of these engines supposedly have forged rods. Early 2.5 M50's have double valve springs and really meaty looking rods.

M50 was available as a 2.0 and 2.5 and 3.0 (fake S50B30)

M52 was available as a 2.0 2.3 2.5 2.8 3.2

M50TU has vanos

All M50 and M52 engines in America were the same iron block except for the Z3 2.8 1997-1998 This car is aluminum block.

That concludes the BMW engine lesson for tonight
 
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