Why E36 ownz you

^ for 1 you dont REALLY have a reason why you hate them, besides that ALOT of drifters use them and not all of them are e30s. and 2 the rsx/integra beat the crap out of the BMW in the speed touring series but dose it make the FWD RSX/integra a better car then the BMW, NO Not im MY opinion.

its one thing to love your favorite car and car manufactor, but dont hate on other cars/ manufactors without having a REAL reason.


No my question to everyone is what makes the E30 (NON M3) a better "car" then the S13's besides the fact it has a better motor, but how can you compare, one is an I-6 and the other a I-4 if you really want to compare them compare it to the RB25.

now comparing E36s to S14s E36 wins, but also reguardless there in two different car classes one being a luxury sport and the other just a normal everyday car that just happened to be RWD.

I just dont understand this whole thread, owners of cars and saying that there car is better then another is basically telling me that they THINK they have the best car ever made and nothing is better, every car is built differently for a different purpose, personaly i like my S13 over an E30 just because i feel better driving an S13 over an S14 or any car that i can afford. but dose that make the S13 a better car then the S14 or any other car? No, its just MY opinion and its based on me test driving both vehicles.
 
freethinker said:
And if you don't remember, theres this kid named Nick who spent something like $100,000 on a fucking S13 while Ive spent about 10k total on my car (including all the silly unnecessary stuff).

I guess that means Nissans are the more expensive cars to build and BMW's are better drift cars.???
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No, that's b/c Nick was a fan boy who purchased every part though Signal Auto or brand new OEM Nissan parts and paid over retail. My car's 100x better than Nick's was and I didn't even spend 1/4 of that. There's a philosophy that exists called "do it once and do it right" - Nick doesn't know what that means but you do (even though none of us are perfect - even you bought a sad panda ebay turbo kit). And remember, not everyone in the world is a shade tree fabricator with money to purchase their own garages, welders, cutting tools, ect and not have a job giving them endless hours to mess with their cars. You've probably put more time into that BMW than I have into both my 240's combined - to me and 99% of the population, that equates to added cost since time is money. /discussion
 
I missed this part earlier.


S13 Slide said:
and 2 the rsx/integra beat the crap out of the BMW in the speed touring series but dose it make the FWD RSX/integra a better car then the BMW, NO Not im MY opinion.
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I'm sure you're aware that nearly every race series besides F1 WRC and a few others has some system of 'performance equalization' or similar name. It means that when one car, or type of car wins too much, then that car or type is penalized.

Just so you know, the BMW's in SCCA wordchallenge touring, last time I checked were running about 600rpm lower rev limiters, 400lbs heavier, and had ballast moved to the front to make the cars handle worse.

Both BMW and Acura have dominated that series depending when you are watching.
 
The truth is those cars shouldn't even be in the same class and making excuses about the restrictions is lame.
 
i just dont like s chassi because i dont like the way they drive. I dont like the low reving ka. And the sr to me is w.e. I drove a hachi with a 20v and a few other cars and i just like the way they slide/ drive. thats it. Nothing more nothing less. Just personal opinion. ONLY thing im in love with that i can say is that the s14 has a fucking badass steering rack. And that they make ats detforces for s chassi cars :(
 
Yeah I dont Like S13's or S14's to much either, Haveing driven a few with various mods.
 
wtf lol i havnt checked this ost in a while i figured it was gonna turn into another why bmw is the better than any car ever mad thread LOL i didnt read the whole thing but from what i read it is :laugh:
 
Tonymac said:
The truth is those cars shouldn't even be in the same class and making excuses about the restrictions is lame.
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WTF, are you just trying to go against everything I say now? I said that both cars have dominated at times. It isn't fair to compare them because they have bullshit equivalency rules. The series is basically rigged. That's why I dont watch that shit, it's fucking pointless.

FIA runs the only roadracing series' that are worth a damn anymore, and most of those have weight penalties for each driver/team depending on individual wins. At least that's a lot more fair way of doing it.

And how should the those cars not be in the same class??? If anything I hope you are implying that the RSX and TSX should be in a higher class than the BMW's. Or at least the RSX, the TSX is a direct market competitor to the 3series. The BMW's are larger, heavier, and acording to a lot of people, have inferior suspension than the Honda/Acuras. RWD does give them a baseline advantage though, so I think it's pretty fair. TSX is a 200hp 2.4L 325i is a 200ish hp (cant remember exact number) 2.5L

This could go on and on, but the fact that they penalize the winning cars makes it pointless anyway.
 
e30 gangsta said:
i just dont like s chassi because i dont like the way they drive. I dont like the low reving ka. And the sr to me is w.e. I drove a hachi with a 20v and a few other cars and i just like the way they slide/ drive. thats it. Nothing more nothing less. Just personal opinion. ONLY thing im in love with that i can say is that the s14 has a fucking badass steering rack. And that they make ats detforces for s chassi cars :(
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how do they drive that you dont like about them? low revving KA? max power on the ka is at 5600rpms redline is at 6900 on S13 ka's E30s make max power ONLY 200 more rpms higher then the KA, max torqe for the ka is at 4400rpms for the E30 at 4300 rpms, WOW what a huge differeance between the two and "low revving KA" i guess no one likes that motor unless it can rev 10,000,000 rpms?

also i DID NOT know this but did nissan acctually change the steering rack on the S14s from the S13s?
 
I cant take it anymore. The BMW versus Acura "what fucking ever" in SCCA is a no brainer the BMW has the maximum weight penalties all the time, they have RPM limits and they are not allowed to drive the FACTORY 50/50 weight ratio. Talk to any Acura driver and they will tell you that without the penalties the only time they would see the BMW is in the starting grid, aftrer that they would disappear.
I thought the comparision was with S14 versus BMW E36 not S13. Never the less BMW parts are generally cheaper than people think, after all the gray market import started you can get them cheap. As far as getting junk yard BMW's all you have to know is where to look. I just bought a -95 E36 M3 for $4000 250hp in perfect running condition has some glue proplems with interior which is common on them. Also bought a E30 M3 for $3500 which has a I4 and I won't even waste my time comparing that 4 to anything that nissan has ever made or will ever make. Generally BMW's are more expensive but not as much as most people think. And besides, for a superior car you should expect to pay a little more.
 
ter-tech said:
Generally BMW's are more expensive but not as much as most people think. And besides, for a superior car you should expect to pay a little more.
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Which is all anybody tried to say. Funny how sean hasn't flamed you yet...

freethinker said:
WTF, are you just trying to go against everything I say now? I said that both cars have dominated at times. It isn't fair to compare them because they have bullshit equivalency rules. The series is basically rigged. That's why I dont watch that shit, it's fucking pointless.

FIA runs the only roadracing series' that are worth a damn anymore, and most of those have weight penalties for each driver/team depending on individual wins. At least that's a lot more fair way of doing it.

And how should the those cars not be in the same class??? If anything I hope you are implying that the RSX and TSX should be in a higher class than the BMW's. Or at least the RSX, the TSX is a direct market competitor to the 3series. The BMW's are larger, heavier, and acording to a lot of people, have inferior suspension than the Honda/Acuras. RWD does give them a baseline advantage though, so I think it's pretty fair. TSX is a 200hp 2.4L 325i is a 200ish hp (cant remember exact number) 2.5L

This could go on and on, but the fact that they penalize the winning cars makes it pointless anyway.
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Sean, does your vagina hurt again? I've been in this thread for a while - nothing personal. Don't cry. BMW's should be in speed GT class IMO. I don't care about direct market competitor BS b/c in GT class, you have caddi's and vipers - direct competitors? Nope. My personal opinion is that specific platforms should have their own class. FWD vs RWD? Not in a million years.
 
M3's race in GT. Against cars like Vipers, Corvettes, NSX's etc. And you think that's more fair?

You might not care about market competitors since you don't have a clue, but that is what really sets the classes for cars. Under 3.0L 4 door, entry level sport luxury cars. They are perfectly comparable

Or maybe you actually thought that the BMW's in touring class were M3's ?????? hold on while I laugh for a week.
 
e30 gangsta said:
i just dont like s chassi because i dont like the way they drive. I dont like the low reving ka. And the sr to me is w.e. I drove a hachi with a 20v and a few other cars and i just like the way they slide/ drive. thats it. Nothing more nothing less. Just personal opinion. ONLY thing im in love with that i can say is that the s14 has a fucking badass steering rack. And that they make ats detforces for s chassi cars :(
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Hahahaha low revving KA? m20s redline at 6,450!

And to those comparings cars in race classes that have penalties, the whole idea of the race is to eliminate any advantage to make it fair game.
 
freethinker said:
M3's race in GT. Against cars like Vipers, Corvettes, NSX's etc. And you think that's more fair?

You might not care about market competitors since you don't have a clue, but that is what really sets the classes for cars. Under 3.0L 4 door, entry level sport luxury cars. They are perfectly comparable

Or maybe you actually thought that the BMW's in touring class were M3's ?????? hold on while I laugh for a week.
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RSX = market competitor for a 3 series BMW? Maybe it's you that doesn't have a clue. They are NOT comparable.

Keep laughing too. Ooooh, but before the weeks up, do a search, we've already had this conversation before and I KNOW the touring class BMW's are not M3's. :bigthumbu

I'll save you effort. Last time we had this EXACT conversation, you questioned whether or not I knew the 3 series touring cars were non-m's. Here's what you said:
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But back to touring, the BMW sedans in touring are 325i and 325Ci, that means they are 2.5 Liter engines.
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You can stop laughing now.

Pwnd.
 
Bmw's are the actually can be the ultimate drift machine. The Perfect seating position, the controllability , and also the fact that it is a well rounded car. I've always been an Japanese car lover i had like 10 fc's so i know how it is. I also have a bimmer.
 
Hey Ant, you do realize the TSX runs in the touring class too right????

RSX is lighter, has same HP and a little lower torque. Why should the 2.5L BMW's be in a higher class??? You still can't explain it.

TSX and 3series are completely comparable. And the RSX should outperform both theoretically....

And next time let other people on the board write 'pnwd' if they see fit, instead of crowing yourself the winner. durka

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And to those comparings cars in race classes that have penalties, the whole idea of the race is to eliminate any advantage to make it fair game.
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Careful how you use the word "fair", not giving you shit, but it's worth pointing out that the only real "fair" is when a series writes a rulebook, and then everyone builds a car adhering to those requirements and shows up and races. No penalties for a certain car/driver/team/eye color winning a race.

The purest implementation of this is known as WRC, next would be Formula One.

Everyone builds, races and drives by the same rules. Rules are written carefully to avoid loophole advantages and questionable issues are addressed quickly and apply to all teams.

Wow off-topic tangent is me... but it's still my thread so ehh.
 
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freethinker said:
Hey Ant, you do realize the TSX runs in the touring class too right????

RSX is lighter, has same HP and a little lower torque. Why should the 2.5L BMW's be in a higher class??? You still can't explain it.

TSX and 3series are completely comparable. And the RSX should outperform both theoretically....

And next time let other people on the board write 'pnwd' if they see fit, instead of crowing yourself the winner. durka
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Your point was that the 3 series is in Touring class b/c its a direct market competitor for an RSX (amongst other cars). Its not (the RSX). And did I ever once say the 3 series should be in GT with a 2.5ltr? No. I think its dumb to have a FWD vs a RWD in a racing class, I'm sure most will agree. Its even dumber that the RWD car has to have 100 restrictions on it to keep it from destroying the FWD cars, you obviously agree. The dumbest thing of all though is to hear people bitch about it - especially BMW fanatics. Its like that time an STi beat up on the M5 for the "fastest saloon" challenge thing and every BMW owner complained that the only reason the M5 lost was b/c of elevation. Excuses and sob stories = :boring:
 
Ok fine, but FWD and RWD cars have run against each other in almost every racing class. World Rally, JGTC, SCCA World Challenge, Motorola Cup, BTCC, ADAC, Super 2000, Australian touring car, ETCC there's about 50 more I could list.

Anyway though, I think they should just penalize the winning cars/drivers with individual weight penalties. nothing else.
 
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